Engine Masters 5.3 turbo
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Engine Masters 5.3 turbo Anyone see the latest one ?
https://www.facebook.com/HotRodEngineMasters/videos/288746591781179/
Some interesting results.
Starting with basically a stock 5.3 ( albeit headers ), to then BW480 turbo, then heads, cam and intake n/a and then again with the BW480.
From a base of around 340hp...to them stopping testing at around 950hp !
https://www.facebook.com/HotRodEngineMasters/videos/288746591781179/
Some interesting results.
Starting with basically a stock 5.3 ( albeit headers ), to then BW480 turbo, then heads, cam and intake n/a and then again with the BW480.
From a base of around 340hp...to them stopping testing at around 950hp !
Did you watch the whole thing? They used Boostline forged rods and wiseco pistons in it for durability added in episode 34... go to 1:30 in the video
Also using Holley Hp EFI to control it.
These guys are not far from me and I have offered some of my personal stuff and time but no one has respond to me.
Also using Holley Hp EFI to control it.
These guys are not far from me and I have offered some of my personal stuff and time but no one has respond to me.
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Did you watch the whole thing? They used Boostline forged rods and wiseco pistons in it for durability added in episode 34... go to 1:30 in the video
Also using Holley Hp EFI to control it.
These guys are not far from me and I have offered some of my personal stuff and time but no one has respond to me.
Also using Holley Hp EFI to control it.
These guys are not far from me and I have offered some of my personal stuff and time but no one has respond to me.
And Likewise, why **** about with a OEM ecu on a dyno when aftermarket makes life far easier. Plus of course Holley sponsored it.
Of course there are many other combos we'd like to see tested, but it's still a great test all the same and better that it's shared. But for a very simple and basic combo, the results are superb. Would be interesting to see some pump fuel comparisons, but they always seem to use race fuel
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It's a paid thing to Motor Trend, $60 per year.
Annoying to have to pay, and disappointing there is only one Engine Master per month, but if paying might see more of this I felt it was worth it.
There are various other channels you get access to as well for the money, but I havent really had much interest in them and a lot are already available on other tv sources.
Annoying to have to pay, and disappointing there is only one Engine Master per month, but if paying might see more of this I felt it was worth it.
There are various other channels you get access to as well for the money, but I havent really had much interest in them and a lot are already available on other tv sources.
it's not Ip adress protected, so a group of us all chip in 10 and share the subscription. we all watch it less and less tho. there's only so many shitty cars you can pull out of the junkyard and do something interesting with.
It's a paid thing to Motor Trend, $60 per year.
Annoying to have to pay, and disappointing there is only one Engine Master per month, but if paying might see more of this I felt it was worth it.
There are various other channels you get access to as well for the money, but I havent really had much interest in them and a lot are already available on other tv sources.
Annoying to have to pay, and disappointing there is only one Engine Master per month, but if paying might see more of this I felt it was worth it.
There are various other channels you get access to as well for the money, but I havent really had much interest in them and a lot are already available on other tv sources.
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Sponsorship aside - if a tuner has vast experience with OEM ecu's and can change any tables etc - why would they want an aftermarket ecu? Wouldn't easier to use = a more basic end result? I'm asking because boost control aside, I've yet to be convinced I should upgrade my ecu when there is nothing my tuner can't do with the OEM one so far.... yes it can be time consuming as it is very complex once you start fine tuning, but I can't see Motec or anything else doing a much better job (except data logging)... am I wrong?
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Sponsorship aside - if a tuner has vast experience with OEM ecu's and can change any tables etc - why would they want an aftermarket ecu? Wouldn't easier to use = a more basic end result? I'm asking because boost control aside, I've yet to be convinced I should upgrade my ecu when there is nothing my tuner can't do with the OEM one so far.... yes it can be time consuming as it is very complex once you start fine tuning, but I can't see Motec or anything else doing a much better job (except data logging)... am I wrong?
OEM wont do boost control, it has rpm limitations ( probably not applicable to most though ), slow/tedious to tune, no engine safety features, no launch control, no traction control, anti-lag, no datalogging and in general limited flexibility. Aftermarket could easily control things like water/meth injection, nitrous and many other external features too if you wished too instead of having multiple extra boxes to do it.
So whether or not you say there is nothing your tuner cannot do with the OEM ecu....depends what you've asked them to do.
And even when some ecu's might claim the same features...doesnt mean the different ecu's will offer those same features to the same level or ability either. eg, some might claim boost control, but might just a very basic single open loop table or 2. Or some might offer the user/driver multiple boost options, whether speed or gear based etc etc
But certainly on a dyno as per the video...when they would see multiple engines etc. An OEM ecu that will run one engine would be an utterly pointless ecu to use when there are much better options that could easily run a multitude of engines, and tune them better and faster when on the dyno. It's a no brainer really.
But either way....as much as Motec are good, they would not be my choice.
And they stated very clearly why they changed rods/pistons.
And Likewise, why **** about with a OEM ecu on a dyno when aftermarket makes life far easier. Plus of course Holley sponsored it.
Of course there are many other combos we'd like to see tested, but it's still a great test all the same and better that it's shared. But for a very simple and basic combo, the results are superb. Would be interesting to see some pump fuel comparisons, but they always seem to use race fuel
And Likewise, why **** about with a OEM ecu on a dyno when aftermarket makes life far easier. Plus of course Holley sponsored it.
Of course there are many other combos we'd like to see tested, but it's still a great test all the same and better that it's shared. But for a very simple and basic combo, the results are superb. Would be interesting to see some pump fuel comparisons, but they always seem to use race fuel
Maybe they use race gas all the time for a "buffer" in the event the "tuner" isn't so spot on. LOL They sure would look dumb blowing a hole in a piston because they had a little too much going on.
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Although they did do a pump fuel turbo LS a while back I think ? I'm near sure I seen one
I just finished watching it. So doing some math. its almost spot on with 14.7psi will double the fly wheel hp. in the non built form, it made 334hp. Boosted with "almost" 10psi so i assume 9.5ish, it made 212hp more. Going by the math i came up with 204hp more......so its pretty damn close. I'm just sitting here trying to "guesstimate" the power mine is making on 9.5psi. So I made 480 (flywheel) naturally asspirated (misspelled on purpose lol) then on 9.5psi i should be around 790 flywheel. seems a little much I think. what you guys think?
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They were using race fuel, so in no way knock limited so will have been able to achieve optimal timing. Also their intake/charge cooling was no doubt very good with little compromise. Although at low boost probably not so much of a consideration.
So I think hoping for 790 on a DIY pump gas build with a different turbocharger is probably being a little hopeful
So I think hoping for 790 on a DIY pump gas build with a different turbocharger is probably being a little hopeful
I just finished watching it. So doing some math. its almost spot on with 14.7psi will double the fly wheel hp. in the non built form, it made 334hp. Boosted with "almost" 10psi so i assume 9.5ish, it made 212hp more. Going by the math i came up with 204hp more......so its pretty damn close. I'm just sitting here trying to "guesstimate" the power mine is making on 9.5psi. So I made 480 (flywheel) naturally asspirated (misspelled on purpose lol) then on 9.5psi i should be around 790 flywheel. seems a little much I think. what you guys think?