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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 08:20 PM
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I know the 4l80e can hold more power but performabuilts black edition 4l65e is preferable as it's a smaller unit and more efficient and holds 1000rwhp now.
Single turbo sounds good but what gives you a wider power range?
This or a twin turbo setup?
You can throw all the money you want at a 4l65e but in the end your still playing with fire. There's a reason more people making big power use a beefier transmission.
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 08:25 PM
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You can throw all the money you want at a 4l65e but in the end your still playing with fire. There's a reason more people making big power use a beefier transmission.
You need to "get with the times". You should see all those morons at the track, who still use those ancient outdated TH400s/glides/80E's. Many of them are in the 8s/7s and faster, but if they would simply wake up and get with it, they would wise up and do what smart racers do, and go with a 60/65e.
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 08:31 PM
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You need to "get with the times". You should see all those morons at the track, who still use those ancient outdated TH400s/glides/80E's. Many of them are in the 8s/7s and faster, but if they would simply wake up and get with it, they would wise up and do what smart racers do, and go with a 60/65e.
LMAO your right what was I thinking!! That settles it I guess I'm just gonna throw my 80e in the garbage and start fresh with a sweet 65e
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 08:31 PM
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A glide is a 30 minute rebuild at the track, no electronics to speak of and is still the weapon of choice for a lot of pro's.
Sometimes keeping it on track and being able to stick the tune like a olympic gymnast trumps the best new thing. YMMV
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 08:59 PM
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The devil was from above also. My momma says 4l60-65-70 is the devil. Lol
I was told a glide with gear vendors = heaven
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Game ova
You need to "get with the times". You should see all those morons at the track, who still use those ancient outdated TH400s/glides/80E's. Many of them are in the 8s/7s and faster, but if they would simply wake up and get with it, they would wise up and do what smart racers do, and go with a 60/65e.
Is this meant to be aimed at me?
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Is this meant to be aimed at me?
A hit dog barks the loudest.
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 03:10 AM
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A hit dog barks the loudest.
Well,stop barking then.
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I'm a firm believer in a well built 4l60e at the 800 rwhp mark in some setups. A big cubic inch setup with a roots or twin screw in a heavy car at the 800 rwhp mark will certainly be it's toughest test. I've seen some 1200 rwhp range cars that were relatively light with a centri and a built 4l60e that lasted more than a full season. There is a reason trans builders don't like to give hp ratings...there are a lot of factors involved.
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I say buy the 4L65E from Performabuilt. It would be a good benchmark to see if it can stand the test of time at that power level.
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 07:49 PM
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I say buy the 4L65E from Performabuilt. It would be a good benchmark to see if it can stand the test of time at that power level.
They guarantee it to be reliable up to 1200rwhp.
Although I would not run that much power through it.
I would go somewhere between 800-900rwhp to be safe
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They guarantee it to be reliable up to 1200rwhp.
Although I would not run that much power through it.
I would go somewhere between 800-900rwhp to be safe
Then buy one up and let's see how long it lasts at that power level
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Originally Posted by bortous
They guarantee it to be reliable up to 1200rwhp.
Although I would not run that much power through it.
I would go somewhere between 800-900rwhp to be safe
I would talk to a few other vendors that make them, to compare prices and options. RPM and Jakes would be on the list.
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 08:47 PM
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I would talk to a few other vendors that make them, to compare prices and options. RPM and Jakes would be on the list.
I have spoken to 3 vendors.

If I had to choose I would go with Performabuilt because they were the first ones to offer this in 2013 and they have made improvements since then too.
Some stronger parts have also been released from Sonnax since that time so they would be even better compared to the earlier versions.
Plus they have had a zero failure rate.
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I have spoken to 3 vendors.

If I had to choose I would go with Performabuilt because they were the first ones to offer this in 2013 and they have made improvements since then too.
Some stronger parts have also been released from Sonnax since that time so they would be even better compared to the earlier versions.
Plus they have had a zero failure rate.
No one has a zero failure rate with anything when it comes to drag racing parts. Now a zero failure rate with 4l60e's at 1200 rwhp that's really stretching it? If you really feel they are that good why don't you have one on the way already instead of arguing with us clowns on the internet?
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 07:41 AM
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No one has a zero failure rate with anything when it comes to drag racing parts. Now a zero failure rate with 4l60e's at 1200 rwhp that's really stretching it? If you really feel they are that good why don't you have one on the way already instead of arguing with us clowns on the internet?
Because there's no such thing as a zero failure 4L60e.
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BCNUL8R
No one has a zero failure rate with anything when it comes to drag racing parts. Now a zero failure rate with 4l60e's at 1200 rwhp that's really stretching it? If you really feel they are that good why don't you have one on the way already instead of arguing with us clowns on the internet?
I don't have one coming because I can't afford to spend that much money at the moment,
I am not arguing with you clowns.
Just giving my opinion. lol
It is a forum after all.
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Originally Posted by bortous
I don't have one coming because I can't afford to spend that much money at the moment,
I am not arguing with you clowns.
Just giving my opinion. lol
It is a forum after all.
A 4l60E at that power level is a gamble especially with your combination. You say you can't afford it right now...would you be willing to lose that same amount of money at a casino? I'm willing to see what my 4l60e will take over time. My guess is it will outlast my sbe, but I have a much different combo. I like the 4l60e, but at some price point the other options start to make more sense because nothing is infallible.
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Another option would be to put the parts together yourself little by little and when the time comes take everything up to a good trans builder and have them go thru it. Definitely cheaper than dropping $5000 plus shipping on a transmission
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Old Jun 30, 2019 | 07:00 PM
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Look seriously i have some experience being the guy who believed an inflated power rating on a transmission. I was like my 6l80 with the pheonix kit from patc installed is going to handle 1200rwhp because that is what they said. I paid my 7800 bucks and the trans from heaven showed up 2 months later. My little 800 rwhp set up lunched that piece of crap 7 times in the 2 years it was under warranty. They rebuilt it every time so kudos to them for customer service. I barely drove my car for those two years shipping it back and forth for rebuilds. Less then 1000 miles in 2 years. They tried everything. At one point they shipped me a whole different trans because they were sure it was a problem with my case. Still wouldnt last more then a month of driving at 800 rwhp and if i turned it up to 18 pounds which would figure out to be about 1100 it would **** itself after about ten passes. I know what your gonna say tune right. I shipped my car to them so they could tune the damn trans to the engine. Didnt help one bit. Inflated bullshit is just that. Dont be that guy who is gonna prove everyone else wrong. Do what i did after i gave up and just get a 4l80 and build it with good ****, get a ptc converter and you wont be able to hurt it with your 800rwhp. Take it from me since i have experience being that guy. Stop and listen to all the people that know this ****. Talk to jakes or century or hughes or any others trans manufacturer besides heavens transmissions or whatever there names are. All the others will laugh there asses off at a 1200hp capable 4l60 anything. Just my opinion.
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