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Old Aug 3, 2019 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LLLosingit
Just using it as an example, It has some validity but not a bible by any means. There are many other variables and now with computers controlling timing and fuel it's possible to get more power than you could have with the same combination pre-computer since you can control fuel and timing in individual cylinders.
Dynamic compression and ultimately, cylinder pressure (psi). efi or not.
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 12:04 AM
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cylinder pressure, crank angle and piston speed is all i care about.

just go with what gasket gives you good quench, and match the cam to the cubes and the turbo
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
You will see an HP increase with a gear ratio change on an inertia dyno....
Please explain.
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by gsteele
Please explain.
Inertia dynos measure work, not torque. They measure the acceleration of large drums during a pull and using newton's 2nd law of motion (force = mass x acceleration), they calculate the torque output from horsepower (tq = hp x 5252 / rpm) and then plot both curves. Since steeper (numerically higher) gears increase the acceleration rate, this reads as higher horsepower (work) at the rear wheels, skewing the results. Correction factors do their best, but they are never going to make it 100% accurate.

Loading dynos use a steady resistance using a strain gauge to measure torque output. This gives you the raw torque output at the rear wheels and then horsepower is calculated from torque (hp = tq x rpm / 5252).

Going from a heavy crank/rod/piston assembly to a much lighter crank/rod/piston assembly will show an increase in power on an inertia dyno, but a decrease in power on a loading dyno due to the changes in rotating mass and how it's measured. Going from heavy wheels and tires to light wheels and tires will show up as a horsepower increase on an inertia dyno.

This is why I advise using the dyno as a tuning tool only, not for real world power numbers. If you want to know how well an engine runs, take it to the track.
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Polyalphaolefin
Inertia dynos measure work, not torque. They measure the acceleration of large drums during a pull and using newton's 2nd law of motion (force = mass x acceleration), they calculate the torque output from horsepower (tq = hp x 5252 / rpm) and then plot both curves. Since steeper (numerically higher) gears increase the acceleration rate, this reads as higher horsepower (work) at the rear wheels, skewing the results. Correction factors do their best, but they are never going to make it 100% accurate.

Loading dynos use a steady resistance using a strain gauge to measure torque output. This gives you the raw torque output at the rear wheels and then horsepower is calculated from torque (hp = tq x rpm / 5252).

Going from a heavy crank/rod/piston assembly to a much lighter crank/rod/piston assembly will show an increase in power on an inertia dyno, but a decrease in power on a loading dyno due to the changes in rotating mass and how it's measured. Going from heavy wheels and tires to light wheels and tires will show up as a horsepower increase on an inertia dyno.

This is why I advise using the dyno as a tuning tool only, not for real world power numbers. If you want to know how well an engine runs, take it to the track.
I suspected something like this but a steeper gear is going to have an increase in acceleration rate at a lower rear wheel speed. Take for example if peak torque comes in at 60 mph and you go to a steeper gear then the peak torque is going to come in at say 55mph. By the time you get to 60mph the torque is beginning to drop off. I am not trying to argue with you here as I do not know how an inertia dyno works (the calculations it uses) beyond what you have described. Something else may be going on with an inertia dyno that I do not yet understand. What I am quite sure of and no one is contradicting this is that any change in hp from a gear change is a problem with the tools being used to measure the hp.
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Old Aug 5, 2019 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Polyalphaolefin
Since steeper (numerically higher) gears increase the acceleration rate, this reads as higher horsepower (work) at the rear wheels, skewing the results. Correction factors do their best, but they are never going to make it 100% accurate.
This is not true. Every single time a vehicle has gone to a numerically higher rear gear ratio they lose a bit of power, same as running in a lower gear vs the 1:1 gear ratio. Most often I see people go from a 3.42 or 3.73 to a set of 4.10s and it usually cuts around 10-15 rwhp out of every single vehicle on a back to back.


Originally Posted by Polyalphaolefin
This is why I advise using the dyno as a tuning tool only, not for real world power numbers. If you want to know how well an engine runs, take it to the track.
This is very true, a dyno is only a tuning tool. I always tell everybody to not get hung up on any dyno number and to take it to the track. The track doesn't lie but dynos do every day.
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