ECU's with boost in mind for 2020
That's a hell of a statement? Guys are running 4s on a blow thru carburetor.... What is the point??
He makes solid points... The X offers alot for the money but still lacking functionality
The lack of system logging and math channels is FTL, as is the lack of real injector drivers and being stuck with 4.9 pile
He makes solid points... The X offers alot for the money but still lacking functionality
The lack of system logging and math channels is FTL, as is the lack of real injector drivers and being stuck with 4.9 pile
You guys are talking about an ECM that ships with a full harness, wideband, and software for $800. I think we all agree its not going to be the best thing on the market, but it does a hell of a lot at that price point! Its met the needs of literally every car I've touched under 1500hp, and that's more then enough for most people. Some people think they needs tons of I/O or some fancy ECM but in reality they don't run any faster, make any more power, or have anything to show for it besides scene points when they pull up and cars and coffee and someone asks what ECM they run that beast on.
As far as "real" injectors
plenty of guys make more power then anyone needs for a street car on Bosch 210's. If you have a "race car" then spend your money on a "race car" ECM setup along with "real" injectors. Plus the Bosch 4.9 on the Terminator is better then the Bosch 4.2 hp/dom uses. Ohh wait you seem like an NTK guy... nevermind.
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I wasnt saying the terminator x isnt a good deal or a capable ecu. i was just bringing up some features that it unfortunately lacks, some of which are not really documented, like the lack of math channels. The software was a bit clunky for me, but most people really like it. figuring out how to assign the gpio was pretty frustrating. I am an old nerd so efilive and ecuflash have been my favorite tuning interfaces ive come across over the years.
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If i only cared about going fast id have a fox not a chevelle wagon. i dont think anyone really argues that more gpio means more power. but it does mean more data, more automation/convenience, and a more integrated system that doesnt need any external boxes like meth injection, bump boxes, 2 steps, etc etc. and when everything is in one box, all the data is together in one log file.
I wasnt saying the terminator x isnt a good deal or a capable ecu. i was just bringing up some features that it unfortunately lacks, some of which are not really documented, like the lack of math channels. The software was a bit clunky for me, but most people really like it. figuring out how to assign the gpio was pretty frustrating. I am an old nerd so efilive and ecuflash have been my favorite tuning interfaces ive come across over the years.
Its like math channels, are they nice to have, sure but are they absolutely required on anything, no. You can run everything from antilag to traction control with the included tables which is plenty for most people at this price point.
True, but I know people that went from Holley to MoTec because the tuner said ohh it will be so much better... but gained nothing. Either way 2k, 4k, is all a lot more then under $1000. To each their own, long as they are happy with whatever they have so be it.
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Paid $1300 for my plug-and-play MS3Pro Evo in my Corvette. Has significantly more features than the Terminator X that was in my Nova (now a Dominator).
Native VR inputs to use ABS sensors for traction control, more I/O, non-proprietary CANBUS, custom user math tables (Digital, PWM, native engine parameter control), easier custom analog sensor inputs, and better datalogging software were all the selling points for MS3 for me.
Holley's closed loop fueling/boost is much smoother/easier although the most recent MS3 firmware/Tunerstudio updates get it close.
Native VR inputs to use ABS sensors for traction control, more I/O, non-proprietary CANBUS, custom user math tables (Digital, PWM, native engine parameter control), easier custom analog sensor inputs, and better datalogging software were all the selling points for MS3 for me.
Holley's closed loop fueling/boost is much smoother/easier although the most recent MS3 firmware/Tunerstudio updates get it close.
Paid $1300 for my plug-and-play MS3Pro Evo in my Corvette. Has significantly more features than the Terminator X that was in my Nova (now a Dominator).
Native VR inputs to use ABS sensors for traction control, more I/O, non-proprietary CANBUS, custom user math tables (Digital, PWM, native engine parameter control), easier custom analog sensor inputs, and better datalogging software were all the selling points for MS3 for me.
Holley's closed loop fueling/boost is much smoother/easier although the most recent MS3 firmware/Tunerstudio updates get it close.
Native VR inputs to use ABS sensors for traction control, more I/O, non-proprietary CANBUS, custom user math tables (Digital, PWM, native engine parameter control), easier custom analog sensor inputs, and better datalogging software were all the selling points for MS3 for me.
Holley's closed loop fueling/boost is much smoother/easier although the most recent MS3 firmware/Tunerstudio updates get it close.
Could care less if they went out of business, I dont work for them. I’ve used MS in the past before Holley became popular, it works fine as do all the other ECM’s I use, everyone has a preference. I’ll gladly stop posting my results since everyone else does it better.
Got no dog in the fight, and no its not mine, but someone has an X Max on Marketpplace new in the box for $1150 shipped. I bought one from someone else same price last week. Gotta save when you can