*popcorn* - well that escalated quickly.

Freaking e-mail notification for when there is a reply I guess is selective on when it works. Fun.

This thread has me more confused now on what the best choice is for what I'm doing. Holley Terminator (or HP? Dominator is too much for me and I don't think I need all that) or MS3 Pro seem to be the two with the most conversation. I'd likely be attempting to base tune it myself to get it to someone more skilled. Not sure if emote tuning works in this case?. I'm in Washington State now as I move a lot for work. So unfortunately to talk with my "tuner" doesn't make much sense. I'll be moving again in 1 year. And in my experience, some tuners shouldn't even claim to be that.. My LQ4 with a cam (on a 112 LSA) t56 car with a stock ECU and a tilton twin disk still surges and nearly dies when I near a stop with clutch in. Two tuners, no love, still surges. So some sort of experienced community of people that tune would be helpful when I tune this with boost.

I liked the traction control of that initial system I was asking about. The truck with around 500 hp and torque from the big block was a lot of "fun" to get to hook up just while rolling into 3rd on the highway. Drag radials = eaten if driven daily. I was hoping some traction control would help with that. Not sure how good Holley is with that, or if MS3 Pro can be done without ABS as my truck will never have that.

Side bar - I keep going back and forth on the SBE of this thing.. I've seen the videos of 1000hp with nearly stock everything.. and I doubt I'll push it that hard as I could barely get 500hp to hook up well. Do I do the rods and pistons and get it balanced? I bought the ARP rod bolts for it.. I guess I can't believe SBE will work having come from traditional Big Block land.

@rotary1307cc pretty sure I remember you from norotors as one of the serious guys. You still have a build thread? It' be interesting to see if I'm planning nn building this thing to the current standard of "right"

If I don't respond quickly.. let the battle continue!

Alex

 

Idk if you said, but who will be tuning it for you?

 

The MS3 Pro in in league with the Dominator. The MS3 Goldbox (efisource.com) is the one thats on par with the Holley HP. And the MS Microsquirt is about as capable as the Terminator, minus the hand held display. All Are pretty neck in neck each with small benefits over the other. So its just a matter of preference/cost really. Get what ever your tuner is comfortable with.

 

Likely a little of my own tuning, and likely a tuner for final cleanup.

 

It's always recommended to use the one your tuner is most comfortable with. If you're going to be doing the majority of the tuning, I suggest playing with each software and then decide. I've been messing with the Holley stuff on my own and I feel the user interface is super easy to navigate and use. I would watch my old tuner use Hp Tuners and it looked like such a huge clusterf*ck. I'm sure the hardware on either one will work for what you want it to do, so the software may end up being the deciding factor.

 

This thread is almost as bad as a Ford vs Chevy posts!
OP If you are going to attempt the initial tuning yourself then I suggest you download the software and and see if you prefer one over the other, Personally I found the Holley software very user friendly and easier to setup than the others.
All the arguing back and forth on what system offers the most features/inputs/outputs is really not needed considering your building a basic turbo/manual trans daily driver, That's a set it up and forget it deal that all the ECU's being discussed should be able to handle with ease.
One thing I haven't seen discussed is displays/gauges, I don't know about the others but Holley offers and nice line of displays and gauges that are plug and play with their systems. Besides offering touch screen panels they also have analog and digital individual gauges to cover anything you'll want to monitor including GPS speedo/odometers, They do add to the cost of the system but if you need the additional gauges or want to upgrade from1960's technology then it's something to consider.
Before anyone points out the obvious I'm a Holley EFI guy and have been from the beginning because I found the software the easiest to use and stuck with it and at the time the Dominator was the best deal out at it's price point. I can't say anything bad about the system and the blowing out spark issue being discussed earlier in this thread was fixed long ago and is a non issue.

 

All I know... is 80% of the people on the Holley Facebook group can’t figure out how to wire a damn ground... and barely can manage to navigate the software... and it’s easier than ANYTHING else on the market...

so I tend to shy away from recommending anything else anyways. Holley is easy. It works. It is by far the cheapest option (even cheaper than using the oem ecu).

if your a data at nerd who thinks they are going to make their 9.8 car way faster with data by monitoring all 4 shocks, driveline speed, turbo wheel speed, coolant system pressure, etc etc etc.. then by all means... buy a MS3 pro... or a dominator... or whatever.

But... you don’t need that stuff.... sometimes less is more.

 

I know of a few that called the Holley system junk and went back to carbs and they likely had issue there to because they don't know what the hell they are doing, I was glad to take the junk off their hands, It's made me quite bit of money and I have a ton of Holley EFI stuff that ended up being damn near free. Ebay has also been good to me. Last Ebay Holley purchase was a Holley Terminator system that was complete and even had an extra new wideband in the box when it arrived. It runs off the HP ecu and the main harness is easily turned into LS use with little effort. The Throttle body usually sells for $150-$200 so I can recoup some money if I ever get around to selling it.

 

Thanks for the info about the HP system. I may have to do some digging on ebay and see what happens.

I've done some tuning with HP tuners. I wrapped my head around it, but I didn't really enjoy tuning with that. It all felt like tuning a carb without an air fuel gauge. But I don't tune for a living, and I'm inexperienced at it.

How's holleys traction control?

 

No real experience with it, but planning on trying to implement on my termy-x setup.

Front wheel speed vs VSS is the hope.

 

I have done that with terminator x max.

 

Can you share how you set up the table?