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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 07:42 AM
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The 7875's went 7.7@190 like I said, I've never seen S366's go that fast so I highly doubt they would out perform them hands down. But funny you are heading down that route... I just got a set of dual vband 7875's as well. The cheap 7875 I tried off ebay gave up smoke after a few months so I'm done with that garbage.

88 compressor to an 88 turbine wheel but yes same basic principle, still too small either way. The way I think the goal is always punted down the road, if they want 1000 they really want 1200, because when you are at the track and its on the border of cracking a number they always want to turn it up so you may as well factor in room to turn it when needed. Personally I think even a 94/112 wheel on a 5.3 isn't enough, it still wants to breath and spools up just fine and will make power past 8000 where most of these baby 88/96 turbines give up smoke. We picked up silly power moving up from the Borg 91/100 to a GTX55 102/112 turbine, could make the same power on 10lbs less boost and was immediately apparent at the track when it trapped 160MPH on gate.
190 is impressive! Unfortunately I don't have the funds or engine to be going that fast. But it backs up my point. For 1000 HP goal, yes... the S366 would outperform the 78/75, esp on a 5.3. They are just too big for what most are doing w small bore motors. They and would be lazy compared to the S366's. Id even say for goals under 1200hp, the S366 is still a better choice. Just not the most economical choice. I figured if I over turbo'd my setup Id have lower charge temps and maybe squeak by without an IC to the 900ish range. Just hope I can get them into boost on the brake. I have a 1925 Model T I'm building and space is a premium! Hate to hear that about the $270 ebay clone... hope I have better luck! Did they just start smoking or did they shell out? Did you use oil restrictors or anything? -thks!

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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 08:11 AM
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Vsr 80 25psi 3200lbs 3.27 gear
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 08:19 AM
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should ikeep my 3.50 gears? go vsr billet 85 instead to meet in the middle? like ive heard good and bad things about all these turbos.. im not torn between 243s and 706s stock for stock if i were to not port the 243s..
Might call up Viren and ask him what he suggests if that's your price range. If his S480 is as good as a "Real one" He may suggest that. Once you max out the cheap S480, IMO its better to go with twins. Cheaper and performs better per pound. As mentioned above you really need to step up to the BIG singles if you want performance similar to Twins. On3 makes some GT55 clones that look really promising for under a $950. Oddly enough I don't see them used much or tested much. If you'd be happy with a true 1000 @ the wheels, I'd go with the S485 over the S488 personally.

I defiantly wouldn't' go taller than a 3.50. I doubt the converter will be happy with that even. Id look at a 9.5 PTC converter and tell them you want it loose! They always spec mine too tight, every time I loosened it up I picked up. Im at a 17-0 stator now and its still too tight! But I was likely only making 900ish. (they started me at a 15). I started with a 3.10 gear. Then 3.25, Then 3.64. Picked up big each time. Little looser on the converter and a 3.73 or so would be about perfect for a street/Strip 8.50 small bore car at about 160 IMO.

Nothing wrong with a 243's by any means. IMO they sell for more than they are worth because everyone thinks they are "magic". So you can basically sell the 243's and build a set of 706's that outperform them and have $ left over. The ports on either head will both flow plenty for a cam only 5.3 at 7k. The major difference is the added compression from the baby head.

I wouldn't bother sinking money in to CNC fancy port jobs or removing deck surface form a factory head though personally. Better off selling the 243 and getting a set of as cast TFS 220 or similar.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 08:20 AM
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Vsr 80 25psi 3200lbs 3.27 gear
That was one of the records I was looking for! right at 1200 hp by weight/trap... Didn't the turbo shell out after or during that pass? Was that on an LS3?
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
190 is impressive! Unfortunately I don't have the funds or engine to be going that fast. But it backs up my point. For 1000 HP goal, yes... the S366 would outperform the 78/75, esp on a 5.3. They are just too big for what most are doing w small bore motors. They and would be lazy compared to the S366's. Id even say for goals under 1200hp, the S366 is still a better choice. Just not the most economical choice. I figured if I over turbo'd my setup Id have lower charge temps and maybe squeak by without an IC to the 900ish range. Just hope I can get them into boost on the brake. I have a 1925 Model T I'm building and space is a premium! Hate to hear that about the $270 ebay clone... hope I have better luck! Did they just start smoking or did they shell out? Did you use oil restrictors or anything? -thks!
Ya not sure how much further I want to mess with small bore stuff, even though its been fun for a long time. I put together a forged 6.0 with decent heads/higher compression and it makes ~150hp more at the same boost, spools faster, and has way more torque than my SBE 5.3. Thats to be expected of course, but it makes me want to look further into a larger engine and larger twins.

Charge temps should indeed drop as turbo size goes up. I tried a 78, 80, and 94 without an IC, the single 78 would max out the sensor in a quick pull, the 94 never maxed it out. I dont worry about turbo size as I dont have a brake to worry about, two step spools everything!

I've never had any issues with the VSR units, and the ebay unit seemed fine for a good while. However, the ebay shaft eventually got really loose (wheel could hit housing) and starting leaking oil. I never used oil restrictors on journal bearing stuff. I can't complain too much as it lasted long enough and I gave it hell for the price, goes on the shelf as a mockup turbo and a lesson.
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
That was one of the records I was looking for! right at 1200 hp by weight/trap... Didn't the turbo shell out after or during that pass? Was that on an LS3?
yep ls3 and it made a few more passes then did all of drag week and on the last day I really wanted a 7 so I put 65psi of dome pressure on it lol and it made it 1200 feet then let the smoke out in spectacular fashion lol still went 8.07 also this was the og vs80 with the red wheel I’ve herd the newer ones are better
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Old Oct 28, 2020 | 10:26 AM
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yep ls3 and it made a few more passes then did all of drag week and on the last day I really wanted a 7 so I put 65psi of dome pressure on it lol and it made it 1200 feet then let the smoke out in spectacular fashion lol still went 8.07 also this was the og vs80 with the red wheel I’ve herd the newer ones are better
LOL Nice! What boost did you typically run before that moment? To be fair I've had issues with genuine Borg units as well, none of them are indestructible.
My old On3 88/84 kept falling off up top so I deleted the wastegate and she lived awhile, maxed out my MAP and kept riding
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LOL Nice! What boost did you typically run before that moment? To be fair I've had issues with genuine Borg units as well, none of them are indestructible.
My old On3 88/84 kept falling off up top so I deleted the wastegate and she lived awhile, maxed out my MAP and kept riding
it made 25-26psi every pass without problems on the final pass it peaked at 28.1psi and fell off after that
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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 05:18 PM
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So i think ive came to a decision on a few things.. gonna keep the 3.50 gears I got, leave the 243s untouched (might find some 706s), gonna go with the summit stage 2 boost cam instead of the ss2, vsr billet 85 is gonna be the turbo im going with and ill be shifting at at least 7k...
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Old Oct 27, 2021 | 03:04 PM
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I rev them well over 7, but its not for everyone. Ive had good results on the 84 and 85’s, but I’ve also seen a billet 76 with larger turbine housing lay down 1000 so just depends what you really want out of it and how you want it to respond. Personally I’m a fan of big cams, big turbines, big rpm for big results. Theres a reason why all the record setting 5.3’s are over 8k. You might not be after a record but if you set it up to breath it’ll reward you.
Sorry to bring up an old thread. Slow Sedan do you have an Instagram or Facebook. I wanna pick your brain if you don't mind. I just made an account here and have to wait 30 days to pm 😿
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Old Oct 27, 2021 | 03:42 PM
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Most setups are very simple for your typical 8 sec street car with stock rockers w/trunnion upgrade, LS7 lifters, and BTR dual springs. Has proven very durable as most like that are going on 3+ years of 7800+ without issue. I've tried fancier parts but generally have more issues with them then its worth, when I tried beehives they broke at high RPM, tried fancy lifters and they stuck collapsed, so not the best luck for me. Rather keep it simple, give it boost and send it.
What trunion kit do you use?
There's several different ones out there and they all seem to have someone who's had an issue.
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Old Oct 28, 2021 | 06:11 AM
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There's pretty good reasoning behind shifting above 7k. With stock rods you generally want to keep the "shift drop" at or above peak torque. It will also play a big role in how your converter is specd. My 5.3 peaked around 6400 and i shifted at 7500, with the right converter it fell back to 6500 and lived a long non rod bending life above 30 psi.
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Old Oct 28, 2021 | 09:14 AM
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Sorry to bring up an old thread. Slow Sedan do you have an Instagram or Facebook. I wanna pick your brain if you don't mind. I just made an account here and have to wait 30 days to pm 😿
Sorry I'm not on there. Can you create a thread?

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What trunion kit do you use?
There's several different ones out there and they all seem to have someone who's had an issue.
I leave a lot of them stock, but the Comp ones seem to work perfectly fine as well. Some Comp sets I installed are going on 10 years old without issue.
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Old Oct 28, 2021 | 08:31 PM
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Man that was exciting just hearing all those RPMs & boost! Haven’t figured out blow thru yet but just got a new car that will be FI!
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My tuner (Jon Capizzi) told me to shift my current combo (SBE LM7, his cam) + S485 (his old turbo) at 7600+. Easier on the rods and it will make power up there.
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