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Old 02-04-2021 | 03:48 PM
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at least his sweet data drop was a grainy photo of a monitor with indistinguishable graphs and obviously 8 seconds of wot in a '3 second street pass'
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Old 02-04-2021 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
I have a terminator x and i could not find that type of functionality anywhere when set up with dual port closed loop. the only modifier i found in the advanced stuff is boost target, which didnt help. I set up a table that added 100psi to my target boost when above 50%tps and below 6psi and it didnt do anything helpful. I am not sure how you can use dual port solenoids without using the built in boost control functionality. I know how to do open loop with a single solenoid using a pwm table and all that jazz.
The guys with a dominator have way more options than us lowly Terminator X guys lol. I don't love the Term X boost control. The easiest way I could figure out to pin the gate shut until target boost etc was to setup an advanced table with a 4 port so it could put pressure on top or bottom. It just made sense to my tiny, no data having brain.

Old 02-04-2021 | 05:54 PM
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at least his sweet data drop was a grainy photo of a monitor with indistinguishable graphs and obviously 8 seconds of wot in a '3 second street pass'
I was going to say 8+ seconds WOT to 141MPH, sick bruh.
Old 02-04-2021 | 06:00 PM
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at least his sweet data drop was a grainy photo of a monitor with indistinguishable graphs and obviously 8 seconds of wot in a '3 second street pass'
The 3 second comment was in reference to 60-130 mph. That’s on a 255/60 tire. Safe to say there’s a good amount of power management needed for that.
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
I have a terminator x and i could not find that type of functionality anywhere when set up with dual port closed loop. the only modifier i found in the advanced stuff is boost target, which didnt help. I set up a table that added 100psi to my target boost when above 50%tps and below 6psi and it didnt do anything helpful. I am not sure how you can use dual port solenoids without using the built in boost control functionality. I know how to do open loop with a single solenoid using a pwm table and all that jazz.
TermX does make things a bit more difficult I had Holley HP and went to Term X, oddly limited in some ways but gets the job done for a bit cheaper. When you say dual port are you referring to two solenoids? I only run one solenoid. I think air and C02 and all that **** is more trouble than its worth in a lot of cases, very few scenarios actually need to run 45psi on a 3lb spring. But yes you can configure different tables based on triggers, launch off 2 step or not, MPH, etc that trigger PWM output/timing/etc rather than a specific boost level.
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The 3 second comment was in reference to 60-130 mph. That’s on a 255/60 tire. Safe to say there’s a good amount of power management needed for that.
Why not run a real tire and pull less power? Granted I'm biased as I fit a 30x13.50 stock and made room for even more tire over the winter.
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Lool oh we have some soft souls in here

He said he switched and said he had "way better control". With literally nothing backing


I'm sorry I'm the mean guy asking for some evidence to explain/back his statement.... But alas just butthurt instead

A grainy pic? You blind?

Top window is actual boost.... And target boost

Bottom pane is base dome pressure and actual dome pressure after the secondary CL controller. A bit over your head... Yes
Old 02-04-2021 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Why not run a real tire and pull less power? Granted I'm biased as I fit a 30x13.50 stock and made room for even more tire over the winter.
​​​​​If I put a Mickey on it would be pulling more power.. not running mid 3s
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
TermX does make things a bit more difficult I had Holley HP and went to Term X, oddly limited in some ways but gets the job done for a bit cheaper. When you say dual port are you referring to two solenoids? I only run one solenoid. I think air and C02 and all that **** is more trouble than its worth in a lot of cases, very few scenarios actually need to run 45psi on a 3lb spring. But yes you can configure different tables based on triggers, launch off 2 step or not, MPH, etc that trigger PWM output/timing/etc rather than a specific boost level.
yeah sorry i meant dual 3 port solenoids.
i prefer the single 4 port solenoid just from the way its laid out. its similar to how i had my evo configured and it worked great. im not entirely convinced i want to stick with the closed loop stuff. i had a lot of success with open loop bcs dc tables in my evo and may dip my toes into that pool once i get a few other things on the car worked out.
The terminator x thing has been eating at me since i first started the car with it. its clearly limited in a bunch of arbitrary places, and i just havent found the $2200 or whatever for a dominator but in that time ive been slowly figuring out workarounds to my biggest gripes with it. part of switching to the 4 port single solenoid was me completely reconfiguring how my 8 i/o are set up so im a little happier with it for now.
i just wish i had more time with the car, but dont we all.
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so for your 60-130 or whatever passes you start from a dig and only count the 60-130?
I read about the nested pid loop boost control but i have a povertyX ecm so i cant play with it. i guess it must work well. are you using dual solenoids with c02?
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
​​​​​If I put a Mickey on it would be pulling more power.. not running mid 3s
Not sure where I said Mickey?
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
so for your 60-130 or whatever passes you start from a dig and only count the 60-130?
I read about the nested pid loop boost control but i have a povertyX ecm so i cant play with it. i guess it must work well. are you using dual solenoids with c02?
Yeah not many use or understand the stacked control. Most are running raw open loop dome control, which is simple and consistent

I'm not hammering on anyone, I just like people to explain why or give evidence of a claim instead of just merely stating
A single solenoid can work phenomenal when sorted, The dual having a reference back to dome makes it easier to accomplish though


I have compressed air on my car and it runs a couple things
Old 02-05-2021 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Not sure where I said Mickey?
Talking in circles like usual

See it's kind of relevant here.... I make an outlandish claim that the nitto tires are amazing on raw asphalt

I don't just say it, I have provided huge amounts of data on it to back it
Old 02-05-2021 | 11:56 AM
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Not to get sidetracked but on the 60 to 130 It doesn't matter what speed you start no

I do dig or roll and starts. It doesn't matter where you start as long as you are on the target power /G curve at 60 mph

Old 02-05-2021 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
Talking in circles like usual

See it's kind of relevant here.... I make an outlandish claim that the nitto tires are amazing on raw asphalt

I don't just say it, I have provided huge amounts of data on it to back it
No circles, other than round tires. I've used the Nitto's and while they aren't bad for an impromptu cruise hit, they also aren't a warmed up Hoosier slick. Hoosiers can lay more power down especially with a manual as the Nittos don't recover nearly as well on a manual shift unless you pull a ton of power out and even with power in the dirt the Nittos will spin the 3/4 shift. Not like it matters, most of you guys are auto don't care about hand eye foot coordination while driving.
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Where them draggy hits at?

A good friend is running into the 4s with a simple 5.3 and a s300... Stock t56.... and 26" nittos. On plain asphalt. If it had more grunt It would have a problem getting to the low 4s ithout pissing it off.

It's on point 60 to 100 and the tire stuck just like mine through the ship, it just needs the power out the back
don't lie
It's funny how those vipers are touching lower 3s on 18's clicking gears
Old 02-05-2021 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
Where them draggy hits at?

A good friend is running into the 4s with a simple 5.3 and a s300... Stock t56.... and 26" nittos. On plain asphalt. If it had more grunt It would have a problem getting to the low 4s ithout pissing it off.

It's on point 60 to 100 and the tire stuck just like mine through the ship, it just needs the power out the back
don't lie
It's funny how those vipers are touching lower 3s on 18's clicking gears
Ya 4's with any sort of mgmt is pretty easy these days, seen my friend do that NA on stock ECM. That's good for a single S300 but probably close to being out of breath, he needs two of them to really let it eat! Guy came out to no prep with a single S300 and I agree it didnt have near enough hooch out the back to compete, poor thing probably only made 650hp. When I was on lower power a fresh set of r888's or nittos would hold pretty well from a roll, the nitto will still easily hold a 9 sec pass from a dig which is fine for most of what you come across on a cruise but not enough to be competitive at anything. If all you do is roll race yourself that's cool, but when you have to line up from a dig things change and the bigger softer tire comes in handy.

Clicking is the optimal term as they aren't actually shifting a manual. Majority of the fast Vipers are sequential and not relying on a knucklehead to clap the pedal perfectly. Not to mention having stacks into motec and sensors to get them on down the road. Sure they are cool, but I can't fathom spending close to $200k for an uncomfortable street car, at that point just get a promod, laugh at people running 3.anything and be done with it.



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