IAT what is considered to hot?
#22
Lol
Only real point in saying anything is that I would not compare anybody's temperature reading versus someone else
You could have temperatures that look identical but yet aren't simply because of the configuration and components used
I ever get a free second here I'll post a lot of stuff
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#23
Let's start off here
Response time, or time constant
It's not the time it takes to get temp A to temp B.... It is the time that it takes to get to 63.2% of the change from A to B
Say temperature A is 0°, say temperature B is 100°... And you instantly stick to sensor from A to B
The response time would be how long it took to get to 63.2°
These times are flaunted all over but it means nothing unless you know the medium it took place with
You take the same sensor in low velocity low density air stream... It is much slower than if it is in a higher density higher velocity air charge ..... And that is still much slower than say if it is stirred into a liquid like oil.
So here will be my first example
All three of these sensors are installed in a very short section of tube
Red is an ultra response t1 therm
Blue is a hyper response stinger k-type
Green is the exposed GM therm
This is taking a heat gun and letting it completely heat up (600*+)... And then placing it into that very short section of tube
The air crossing those sensors is immediately over 600°, you are seeing the response from the sensors when at that low velocity, low density, air scenario
Response time, or time constant
It's not the time it takes to get temp A to temp B.... It is the time that it takes to get to 63.2% of the change from A to B
Say temperature A is 0°, say temperature B is 100°... And you instantly stick to sensor from A to B
The response time would be how long it took to get to 63.2°
These times are flaunted all over but it means nothing unless you know the medium it took place with
You take the same sensor in low velocity low density air stream... It is much slower than if it is in a higher density higher velocity air charge ..... And that is still much slower than say if it is stirred into a liquid like oil.
So here will be my first example
All three of these sensors are installed in a very short section of tube
Red is an ultra response t1 therm
Blue is a hyper response stinger k-type
Green is the exposed GM therm
This is taking a heat gun and letting it completely heat up (600*+)... And then placing it into that very short section of tube
The air crossing those sensors is immediately over 600°, you are seeing the response from the sensors when at that low velocity, low density, air scenario
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The BallSS (03-24-2022)
#24
Okay now let's look at the same two sensors... Not enough hands to do 3 at once
Once again blue is the stinger k-type exposed
Red is the t1 hyper response therm
Both these were stirred directly into 260° oil
The cursor is at the response time of the therm
You can see how this is drastically faster but yet honestly still slow to reach actual temperature
Once again blue is the stinger k-type exposed
Red is the t1 hyper response therm
Both these were stirred directly into 260° oil
The cursor is at the response time of the therm
You can see how this is drastically faster but yet honestly still slow to reach actual temperature
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The BallSS (03-24-2022)
#26
Yayy, data that doesn't answer the OP's question. OP didn't state if he's running EFI or carb, what fuel he uses, boost level, engine size, horsepower, if this is a race boat or a cruiser, or any other details and thread detoured to sensor response times.
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#29
the reason I’m asking is this is the boat and this is the new to me puppy I will be installing on the boat it takes 850 horsepower to run my prop at full potential I’m hoping this procharger will get to there I was thinking about hooking a sensor to it that when I’m at wot it just dumps meth this boat will see 6300 rpm for extended periods of time sometimes I’ll run 10 miles of dry ground to get to a hunting spot I just want the engine to live a happy life it made 540 hp naturally aspirated
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#30
the reason I’m asking is this is the boat and this is the new to me puppy I will be installing on the boat it takes 850 horsepower to run my prop at full potential I’m hoping this procharger will get to there I was thinking about hooking a sensor to it that when I’m at wot it just dumps meth this boat will see 6300 rpm for extended periods of time sometimes I’ll run 10 miles of dry ground to get to a hunting spot I just want the engine to live a happy life it made 540 hp naturally aspirated
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The BallSS (03-25-2022)
#31
Fueling is efi I’m running a 60 pound injector with a magnum 750 pump, I was going to just try to keep it cool on the water meth for now because I think trying to find someone to do the piping for the intercooler will be a bear
#32
If you can install a procharger you should be able to do a cold side yourself, a couple silicone couplers, clamps, and set of bends you'd be in business.
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#35
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Let's start off here
Response time, or time constant
It's not the time it takes to get temp A to temp B.... It is the time that it takes to get to 63.2% of the change from A to B
Say temperature A is 0°, say temperature B is 100°... And you instantly stick to sensor from A to B
The response time would be how long it took to get to 63.2°
These times are flaunted all over but it means nothing unless you know the medium it took place with
You take the same sensor in low velocity low density air stream... It is much slower than if it is in a higher density higher velocity air charge ..... And that is still much slower than say if it is stirred into a liquid like oil.
So here will be my first example
All three of these sensors are installed in a very short section of tube
Red is an ultra response t1 therm
Blue is a hyper response stinger k-type
Green is the exposed GM therm
This is taking a heat gun and letting it completely heat up (600*+)... And then placing it into that very short section of tube
The air crossing those sensors is immediately over 600°, you are seeing the response from the sensors when at that low velocity, low density, air scenario
Response time, or time constant
It's not the time it takes to get temp A to temp B.... It is the time that it takes to get to 63.2% of the change from A to B
Say temperature A is 0°, say temperature B is 100°... And you instantly stick to sensor from A to B
The response time would be how long it took to get to 63.2°
These times are flaunted all over but it means nothing unless you know the medium it took place with
You take the same sensor in low velocity low density air stream... It is much slower than if it is in a higher density higher velocity air charge ..... And that is still much slower than say if it is stirred into a liquid like oil.
So here will be my first example
All three of these sensors are installed in a very short section of tube
Red is an ultra response t1 therm
Blue is a hyper response stinger k-type
Green is the exposed GM therm
This is taking a heat gun and letting it completely heat up (600*+)... And then placing it into that very short section of tube
The air crossing those sensors is immediately over 600°, you are seeing the response from the sensors when at that low velocity, low density, air scenario
Andrew
#36
You wouldn't even have to be moving to cooler the intercooler lol.
I know nothing about air boats other than they're really cool, just throwing ideas out to see if anything sticks.
If you put a nice Treadstone or Bell unit in front with all that air flow you'd think it would keep IAT's really low especially at speed.
#37
So an air to air right in front of the propeller then?
You wouldn't even have to be moving to cooler the intercooler lol.
I know nothing about air boats other than they're really cool, just throwing ideas out to see if anything sticks.
If you put a nice Treadstone or Bell unit in front with all that air flow you'd think it would keep IAT's really low especially at speed.
You wouldn't even have to be moving to cooler the intercooler lol.
I know nothing about air boats other than they're really cool, just throwing ideas out to see if anything sticks.
If you put a nice Treadstone or Bell unit in front with all that air flow you'd think it would keep IAT's really low especially at speed.
#39
thank you for the idea yes sir room isn’t gonna be a problem what kinda concerns me if being able to find the piping to complete the task seeing this set up does help give me a little since of direction I just need to find me a good air to air that isn’t to big but still very efficient, also not sure if I need to locate me a blow off vavle as well and plum all of that in
#40
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Andrew
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