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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 07:23 AM
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Hi Guys, I'm fitting a Whipple 2.9L charger kit to my VE ute and want to install a new oil pump for peace of mind while I'm at it.

Melling offer a few options, standard replacement, high volume standard pressure, high pressure standard volume, high pressure high.

Should I consider an option outside of standard pressure/volume?

My ute is a manual, with standard internals and compression dropped to 9:1 with thicker head gaskets.

any advice appreciated!
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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 11:03 AM
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If your engine is totally stock internally, then the std pressure/std volume will be sufficient for your needs
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 11:00 AM
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Do you rev to 7k or more?
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveJewels
Do you rev to 7k or more?
This ^^^
The Melling's offer superior flow and less aeration above 6000 rpm, I'd do a HV/HP pump and over fill the sump because that's what I do now with my turbo car and it routinely sees 7000+rpm.
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveJewels
Do you rev to 7k or more?
The fact that he says he has all stock internals tells me that he will not, or should not, be revving to 7k RPM.
Hence my stock pump advice.
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
The fact that he says he has all stock internals tells me that he will not, or should not, be revving to 7k RPM.
Hence my stock pump advice.
Don't tell that to any of the 5.3/4.8 crowd.....
I used to spin my previous SBE LS1 to 6,800rpm regularly.
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 02:32 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback so far!

I didn't mention in my original post, I have a L77 engine and the transmission is a TR6060.

Yes, stock internals, but will be using ARP bolts on my connecting rods and thicker Cometic head gaskets (9:1 compression ratio)with ARP head bolts. Other mods include a BTR blower cam, matched dual valve springs and hardened push rods. I know most of the mods mentioned don't affect my actual question, but it just gives a overall view of my build.

Will I rev to 7000, I'm not 100% what my tuner will allow/set the limiter to, currently I'm set to high 6000's, but maybe with the ARP connecting rod bolts etc he may be comfortable upping it a little bit.

Let me leave with this question, will using a Melling high pressure, high volume pump (Melling 10296) have any negative effects in my build? I'm all for the idea as long as it is overkill rather than a mis match with ill effects.

thanks,
Rob
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 02:50 PM
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I wouldn't drop the compression too much with gaskets, 9.5-9.75 is as low as I'd go, 10:1-10.4:1 would be fine.
No downsides to extra pump pressure and flow, just overfill the pan by a quart or two, if you aren't drag racing and cutting really short 60' times starvation won't be an issue.
You'll have to see where it stops making power and determine a shift point from there, I probably wouldn't go over 7,500rpm.
I'm sure there are others who have but 7,500+rpm is a big ask for hypereutectic pistons and PM rods with that much stroke.
Besides a Whipple with a six speed, gears 1-2 will be pretty useless so all your action is gonna happen top of 3rd and 4th gear.
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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 05:08 PM
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So what is the consensus for SBE revving to around 6800? I need a pump for my LS3/tvs2650 combo.
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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 05:21 PM
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My vote has always been high pressure/ STD volume for most any LS type truck moter that the end user wants RPM. With that said focus on valve train stability cause it matters just as much if not more than oil supply, but remember here being cheap is expensive. Cause not doing it right the first time will make you spend twice..... Either way happy wrenching sir .
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I believe the pan is more important than the pump. If you have a F body pan on anything, get it off if you're going to start leaning on it. When you couple a HV pump, with a F body pan, well, your just asking to have Rodney come knocking, quart or 2 over, or not.
I've got plenty of data logs in Holley to back this up.
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Originally Posted by rpturbo
I believe the pan is more important than the pump. If you have a F body pan on anything, get it off if you're going to start leaning on it. When you couple a HV pump, with a F body pan, well, your just asking to have Rodney come knocking, quart or 2 over, or not.
I've got plenty of data logs in Holley to back this up.
Which f-body pan? Ive got a Holley 302-2 which is the 1st gen fbody pan. And Ive got a baffle in it.
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Old Sep 16, 2022 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Powered by FOMO
Which f-body pan? Ive got a Holley 302-2 which is the 1st gen fbody pan. And Ive got a baffle in it.
The factory F-body pan.
I also run a Holley 302-2 pan. Best $ I spent.
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Originally Posted by rpturbo
The factory F-body pan.
I also run a Holley 302-2 pan. Best $ I spent.
Does the Holley pan move the pickup to the back of the pan?
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My choice would be high pressure standard volume, You're going to putting a lot more pressure on the nose of the crankshaft with a belt driven supercharger so it's not technically stock anymore.
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