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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NicD
Not even close to being accurate, they machine many of the internals in house and while they are a Bosch partner they don't use OEM internals. I know this because I've actually taken a tour of the building here in AZ and talked with Paul Yaw and it's impressive as hell. I mean they literally have "clean rooms" in their facility, to manufacture injectors.
That is correct for the newer injectors that actually state corrosion resistant internals. ID themselves stated the ID2000 was not like the ID1300X, ID1700X, etc
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
That is correct for the newer injectors that actually state corrosion resistant internals. ID themselves stated the ID2000 was not like the ID1300X, ID1700X, etc
While the older lineup of ID injectors were standard Bosch EV14 cores they were still modified injectors and were not just standard Bosch injectors that were flow matched and sent out the door like you said. The ID2000s suffered from having a coil that was affected by heat but also had an internal valve face swelling issue specifically with MTBE.
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NicD
While the older lineup of ID injectors were standard Bosch EV14 cores they were still modified injectors and were not just standard Bosch injectors that were flow matched and sent out the door like you said. The ID2000s suffered from having a coil that was affected by heat but also had an internal valve face swelling issue specifically with MTBE.
Paul's partner Tony said over a decade ago they did not modify the ID2000 injectors. I guess you are calling him a liar
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Paul's partner Tony said over a decade ago they did not modify the ID2000 injectors. I guess you are calling him a liar
LOL, I've talked to both of them over the years and he never said that. Are you literally just making **** up as you go?
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NicD
LOL, I've talked to both of them over the years and he never said that. Are you literally just making **** up as you go?
Except he said it, it's even on their web page

"others are offering the same injector as the ID2000" "That is correct" Goes on to point out how well they match injectors

Does Dynamic Matching Really Matter? - Injector Dynamics
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Except he said it, it's even on their web page

"others are offering the same injector as the ID2000" "That is correct" Goes on to point out how well they match injectors

Does Dynamic Matching Really Matter? - Injector Dynamics
He said the same core injector, as in they use same EV14 core as other injectors at the time. They still modified the injector to linearize the flow and then flow matched them afterwards.
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NicD
He said the same core injector, as in they use same EV14 core as other injectors at the time. They still modified the injector to linearize the flow and then flow matched them afterwards.
If they actually modified them they would say so, like they are so quick to point out on the newer injectors, but they don't.
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
If they actually modified them they would say so, like they are so quick to point out on the newer injectors, but they don't.
They have said so and I'm not going to argue with somebody on the internet about something that I know first hand and have seen with my own two eyes.
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NicD
They have said so and I'm not going to argue with somebody on the internet about something that I know first hand and have seen with my own two eyes.
Its ok, we all saw you backpedal.
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 08:56 PM
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The 210, SS?.....lol wow
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 09:01 PM
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The 210s are about the most corrosion susceptible injector out there, it's a fact
Bosch even had a memo out on it years back
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Its ok, we all saw you backpedal.
That's comical, I've actually been there and seen first hand what is done to their injectors and I haven't said a single thing that is incorrect. I'll never understand people's need to comment on something that they clearly know nothing about, oh yeah it's ls1tech and people read this or read that on the internet and all of a sudden they are experts.
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Old Sep 22, 2022 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
The 210s are about the most corrosion susceptible injector out there, it's a fact
Bosch even had a memo out on it years back
Correct, ID used a different valve seat and pintle vs the Bosch injectors and even those had problems albeit different ones from the Bosch's. Either way it's a moot point because they discontinued them years ago and built better ones.
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Old Sep 23, 2022 | 01:42 AM
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I'm just over here in the corner pretending I'll ever have the bank roll to buy anything other than 210's lol.
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Old Sep 23, 2022 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
The 210s are about the most corrosion susceptible injector out there, it's a fact
Bosch even had a memo out on it years back
True, even ID said to not let the ID2000's sit for very long with E85 in the system. They had a ton of pissed off customers back in the early 2009-2010'ish days when guys started using them. Could dig up an email from them about it, but Nic knows everything so no need


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I'm just over here in the corner pretending I'll ever have the bank roll to buy anything other than 210's lol.
Hey nothing wrong with a setup that works, even if somehow you had 3 sets of 210's fail you'd still be ahead of the game vs buying the ID's. What do we know, our idle quality must be ****, injectors are corroded, and somehow still flow the same as the day they were delivered years later.
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Old Sep 23, 2022 | 10:18 AM
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wait what i thought the 210s were fine for e and meth. i just bought a set for a motor im planning to start experimenting with alcohol.
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Old Sep 23, 2022 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
wait what i thought the 210s were fine for e and meth. i just bought a set for a motor im planning to start experimenting with alcohol.
Don't let the ID hype train scare ya, they are fine with e and meth. They do have issues with MTBE fuels like Q16. If you get a real OEM set they work fine for lots of people for years on end. Just be smart and if you are going to let the car sit for awhile run some pump gas through it. If you are really concerned have them flowed after each season and generally you'll see there is nothing to worry about.
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i got real bosch ones. i know to keep mbtes away. ive seen people say you dont need to flush with pump gas but i planned to anyway. thanks.
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I have the ID 1300 injectors. Holley Reg, -8 feed and return.
Pumps are Holley 12-1800 and 12-890. The second on a Hobbs at 10 psi

Base pressure at 52 psi.

At 24lbs boost, I hit 110 IDC at the higher revs.

Now need to rob a bank to buy the ID injectors.

I have the Bosch 210’s sitting in the wings. Maybe next year
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