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Old Jan 30, 2023 | 03:04 PM
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Question Ruthenium Spark Plugs for boost??

Has anyone tried the Ruthenium plugs on the FI setup? I run TR7IX iridium and was wondering if these would be any better...
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 05:18 AM
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I bought some to try but am still in the part collecting phase. I was curious myself
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What do they cost?
Can you order by heat range?
Guys here will get real wiggly about extended tip in a FI application. Although all the factory FI cars like the Hellcats, supercharged corvettes come with them.
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 12:17 PM
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I can't find alot if info about them so Im gonna stick with the TR7ix
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Never understood why people spend so much on plugs. Lots of back to back dyno pulls with big $ plugs VS a standard copper core. They don't do diddly.
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Gaps open? As in the electrode wears away At 6k miles? That’s def. not normal behavior. Typically, they should last 10-20k. For a performance app. You should have the plugs out often enough that none of that matters IMO. But for a daily, I guess I could see iridium. Still expensive per plug compared to the copper though.

I was thinking more along the lines of power. As in you aren’t going to gain anything with a magic spark plug.
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Old Feb 2, 2023 | 12:32 PM
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I got that part. But you didn’t say how are the gaps opening up? Are you saying the electrode is wearing away by 6k to the point it won’t fire anymore? If so, that’s not normal behavior.

Are you saying the ground strap is opening somehow? Guess I don’t understand why gaps would change much at 6k.
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Old Feb 2, 2023 | 06:14 PM
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None of that shiny stuff inside my motors:

Two Dollar NGK TR6 works for me.
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BR7EF is all I need.
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I had heard of those plugs a while back but still haven't tried them yet. Most of the mild/medium boost combos we do get iridiums because they do really idle cleaner and drive better than non-projected tip plugs but I would be interested in giving these a whirl. All of the higher boost combos get resisted/non-projected plugs since we aren't as concerned about driveability, but man some of those colder plugs sure are hard to light off on cold starts at super high ethanol contents.
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Why not just email support at NGK and have them recommend a plug for you? That's what I did. D1SC Procharger at 12(ish) lbs of boost on a higher than stock compression engine with HCI.. They responded very quickly and this is the email I got. Excellent service from their service dept.

Your compression and boost put you in an 8 heat range, TR8IX (3691) is for street use, if it is track use only, please use R5724-8 (7317) and adjust it to .032”. Mark Kent Technical Service Representative – Aftermarket Division NGK Spark Plugs (U.S.A.), Inc.(877) 473-6767 option 2MEKent@ngksparkplugs.com

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I’ve run the R5724-8 since day one in my Nova. 9 years.
These are semi projected tip (about half of a TR6) and non resistor.
I’ve had no issues at 24 psi on E85.

I did try the BR7EF once. They didn’t idle nice, and the idle AFR changed. I drove it around my 5 mile test loop and took ‘em out.
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
I’ve run the R5724-8 since day one in my Nova. 9 years.
These are semi projected tip (about half of a TR6) and non resistor.
I’ve had no issues at 24 psi on E85.

I did try the BR7EF once. They didn’t idle nice, and the idle AFR changed. I drove it around my 5 mile test loop and took ‘em out.
I've never understood why people have problems with BR7EF. They're a resistive plug, but some people have issues. It's all I run on anything boosted. Only the gap changes.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
I've never understood why people have problems with BR7EF. They're a resistive plug, but some people have issues. It's all I run on anything boosted. Only the gap changes.
I could have re-tuned it. But why?
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
I could have re-tuned it. But why?
I guess maybe I don't understand the issue that people have. I throw them on thr car before tuning anyways and never an issue. Just curious what the issue actually is.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
I guess maybe I don't understand the issue that people have. I throw them on thr car before tuning anyways and never an issue. Just curious what the issue actually is.
The BR7EF with it's non-projected tip has a tendency to not idle as cleanly or drive as smoothly as a projected tip plug. Sometimes noticeable, sometimes not. I don't think I've ever had to retune something though just by switching to a non-projected plug from a projected one.
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Originally Posted by NicD
The BR7EF with it's non-projected tip has a tendency to not idle as cleanly or drive as smoothly as a projected tip plug. Sometimes noticeable, sometimes not. I don't think I've ever had to retune something though just by switching to a non-projected plug from a projected one.
That's what is so surprising to me. A car really driving so badly from a plug swap that they pulled the plugs back out.
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Originally Posted by NicD
The BR7EF with it's non-projected tip has a tendency to not idle as cleanly or drive as smoothly as a projected tip plug. Sometimes noticeable, sometimes not. I don't think I've ever had to retune something though just by switching to a non-projected plug from a projected one.
I remember a while back that i went from NA plug gap to a tight boosted plug gap and i had to retune my idle. :shrug
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
That's what is so surprising to me. A car really driving so badly from a plug swap that they pulled the plugs back out.
They? That was me. Look, if you start with the BR7’s, and tune with them, no issue. With the exception of mine, the other two turbo cars I tune run the BR7.
I didn’t say it ran so crappy I took them out. I just didn’t want to retune the thing.
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
They? That was me. Look, if you start with the BR7’s, and tune with them, no issue. With the exception of mine, the other two turbo cars I tune run the BR7.
I didn’t say it ran so crappy I took them out. I just didn’t want to retune the thing.
I wasn't saying only you. There have been many threads over the last several years with people having similar experiences of a poor idle with those plugs. I'm just surprised because I haven't experienced that.
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