Speed Inc.'s opinion
Originally Posted by VaNDaL*SS*
cyborg-
How's the P-1SC run? You got any #'s with it at all?
How's the P-1SC run? You got any #'s with it at all?
Originally Posted by SS00Blue
Incontestably, the STS has never put down any number that can back up the ridiculous dyno claims. Yes, PUREVL, that means you, too. 
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!-Geoff
Originally Posted by White_Hawk
Some one make this a sticky! Blue and I have actually agreed on something! From to !
-Geoff
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Originally Posted by PurEvl
hows your turbo kit going? Or do you have a blower? Which FI road are you on?
-Geoff
Originally Posted by SS00Blue
One does not have to run both to know that a turbo system is always superior. Just look at the weight penalties to run a turbo in the sanctions. It's obvious.
SC-
BTW - I'm no fan of a muffler-turbo, I just know the reality concerning the benefits of a well-designed turbo system, even if others do not. Incontestably, the STS has never put down any number that can back up the ridiculous dyno claims. Yes, PUREVL, that means you, too.
SC-
BTW - I'm no fan of a muffler-turbo, I just know the reality concerning the benefits of a well-designed turbo system, even if others do not. Incontestably, the STS has never put down any number that can back up the ridiculous dyno claims. Yes, PUREVL, that means you, too.
Could you be a little more specific, as I am one that does not agree. The amount of plumbing, heat, extra heat added to the oil, other than parasidic loss, what are the benefits to any turbo over a SC. Power with a blower is directly related to the rpm of the motor. I dont care how good your turbo is, it is never going to be that responsive. Other than everyone has a right to choose their setup, Im guessing based on experience I lost 75HP by using a blower(BFD), and I dont have near the plumbing, oil tap, extra heat in the engine compartment, and extra abuse to the oil going back into the engine, and lets not forget, I made all of my power, under 11psi, and under 6000 rpm and I do it all day on 93OCT pump gas. The car has never ever had anything else in it.
I am looking for facts, so just the facts please.
Thanks
Bryan
I have tested both on 6.0 engines and found the normal results. Blowers are easy way to gain power. Turbo's make more power under the curve. A SC engine on my dyno will make 2.5 pounds of boost at 2500rpm and 10.5 at 6000. The same engine with a turbo will make 10 psi at 2500 and 10 psi at 6000. The turbo makes about 200 more ft lbs at 2500. About 50 more hp at 6000.
The SC is easy to tune, turbo is harder.
There is slightly more heat with turbo set up. I have a small 67mm turbo on my truck, it has been there for 18000 miles with no problem. The additional heat is not a problem.
Everyone needs to pick there best option. If you want simple power thats easy to tune a blower is good. If you want max gains the turbo is the only way.
Kurt
The SC is easy to tune, turbo is harder.
There is slightly more heat with turbo set up. I have a small 67mm turbo on my truck, it has been there for 18000 miles with no problem. The additional heat is not a problem.
Everyone needs to pick there best option. If you want simple power thats easy to tune a blower is good. If you want max gains the turbo is the only way.
Kurt
Originally Posted by Bryan Wilkinson
Could you be a little more specific, as I am one that does not agree. The amount of plumbing, heat, extra heat added to the oil, other than parasidic loss, what are the benefits to any turbo over a SC. Power with a blower is directly related to the rpm of the motor. I dont care how good your turbo is, it is never going to be that responsive. Other than everyone has a right to choose their setup, Im guessing based on experience I lost 75HP by using a blower(BFD), and I dont have near the plumbing, oil tap, extra heat in the engine compartment, and extra abuse to the oil going back into the engine, and lets not forget, I made all of my power, under 11psi, and under 6000 rpm and I do it all day on 93OCT pump gas. The car has never ever had anything else in it.
I am looking for facts, so just the facts please.
Thanks
Bryan
I am looking for facts, so just the facts please.
Thanks
Bryan
Originally Posted by White_Hawk
I have had both a blower and twin turbo on my car and now it is for sale. Both kits are gone and sold. For the record, I liked it best when it was just heads/cam/headers. If I had to do it again, I would drop a 383 or 427 in it and call it a day.
-Geoff
-Geoff
Thanks for the factual info... love it. Hope the tranny is hoilding!
Originally Posted by 427
I have tested both on 6.0 engines and found the normal results. Blowers are easy way to gain power. Turbo's make more power under the curve. A SC engine on my dyno will make 2.5 pounds of boost at 2500rpm and 10.5 at 6000. The same engine with a turbo will make 10 psi at 2500 and 10 psi at 6000. The turbo makes about 200 more ft lbs at 2500. About 50 more hp at 6000.
The SC is easy to tune, turbo is harder.
There is slightly more heat with turbo set up. I have a small 67mm turbo on my truck, it has been there for 18000 miles with no problem. The additional heat is not a problem.
Everyone needs to pick there best option. If you want simple power thats easy to tune a blower is good. If you want max gains the turbo is the only way.
Kurt
The SC is easy to tune, turbo is harder.
There is slightly more heat with turbo set up. I have a small 67mm turbo on my truck, it has been there for 18000 miles with no problem. The additional heat is not a problem.
Everyone needs to pick there best option. If you want simple power thats easy to tune a blower is good. If you want max gains the turbo is the only way.
Kurt
You're no daisy, F8L! (love that movie)
You see F8L, your track "claims" must be filed with your dyno "claims" and with PurEvil's dyno "claims".
See that's the thing about the STS kit... No matter what is shown when and by who, there will always be these people who've never even seen an STS car in person, let alone ridden in one, driven one, or *gasp* tested one, who have something to bash about.
When people run 10 seconds on the STS truck kit, then the no one will have "put down good 60" times to support their ridiculous et claims" or "can't run from idle" or <insert lame argument here>.
There's no point responding to this nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can use the search feature and see the times that have been posted...
You see F8L, your track "claims" must be filed with your dyno "claims" and with PurEvil's dyno "claims".
See that's the thing about the STS kit... No matter what is shown when and by who, there will always be these people who've never even seen an STS car in person, let alone ridden in one, driven one, or *gasp* tested one, who have something to bash about.
When people run 10 seconds on the STS truck kit, then the no one will have "put down good 60" times to support their ridiculous et claims" or "can't run from idle" or <insert lame argument here>.
There's no point responding to this nonsense. Anyone with half a brain can use the search feature and see the times that have been posted...
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Originally Posted by TurboBerserker
You're no daisy, F8L! (love that movie)
Originally Posted by TurboBerserker
You see F8L, your track "claims" must be filed with your dyno "claims" and with PurEvil's dyno "claims".
Ok, I will proclaim 520rwhp then! :p
New toy will be built and in by then hopefully 
Originally Posted by BIGBOS
I'm sure at 15psi with a mid frame 88, I would make close to 800rwhp or more compared to where I'm at now w/the F1 procharger
Originally Posted by BIGBOS
I'm sure at 15psi with a mid frame 88, I would make close to 800rwhp or more compared to where I'm at now w/the F1 procharger
Im sure too, I could have hit 700 rwhp at 13 with just a d1, but it was over 6000, I will hit this 800 well below that, More like 4k and I will only be 10psi as well. An f1 at 15psi and only 660 rwhp? You must be tuned real conservative huh? That car is gonna go high nines, are you prepared for it?
As for the SC sounding better, at idle hell ya, under throttle no way, nothing sounds better then a turbo. My d1 was cool but I will never run a SC again unless its a twin screw or something on a vette or gto.
Last edited by PurEvl; Dec 24, 2004 at 06:45 PM.