Phamspeeds's new kit - is it worth the $$$?
He probably assumed you knew about the IC pipes or he forgot you got the IC to go with it. Like frcefed said, the 42s should be fine with the amount of power you're capable of. The piping should cost roughly around 300-400 to make. Unless Phamspeed is now offering the budget kit with IC and piping?
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Originally Posted by kcfan
Sorry for the confusion. I got the PT70. Do I need larger than 42lb/hr injectors? Also, John Pham at Phamspeed didn't say anything about me needing to get the IC pipes. What should I do? I'm a damn newbie and where would I get the IC pipes for this?
I appreciate your help!
Thanks!
I appreciate your help!
Thanks!
But overall I think you did real good, sounds like an awesome kit. Should be killer once your all done....Just hang on now and enjoy the ride
Originally Posted by kcfan
Sorry for the confusion. I got the PT70. Do I need larger than 42lb/hr injectors? Also, John Pham at Phamspeed didn't say anything about me needing to get the IC pipes. What should I do? I'm a damn newbie and where would I get the IC pipes for this?
I appreciate your help!
Thanks!
I appreciate your help!
Thanks!
kit+tow truck to tuner (speed inc in my case)+fmic pipes+tune
so even after you buy the kit its gonna be some $$$, tunes are usually in the range of $500, depends where.
you made a good choice. your just going to have to buy some cupplers/bends. Or you could make some measurment and get an exhaust shop to bend you some stuff then cupple them. That's the cheap way though. The alumium piping is much lighter and more expensive.
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Greg, I did tell you you needed IC piping. Your question was more if you needed anything else from me. I answered no, you did not need anything else from me. Since it was mentioned a shop was going to install the kit for you I didn't make it a big deal, should be a very simple task for them. Same goes for the boost controller I told you about. If they have difficulty making you IC piping, I would install the whole kit somewhere else. You had mentioned they have done turbos before so it should be cake for them. Sorry for the confusion
42lb injectors should be more than enough for the hp goals you set
42lb injectors should be more than enough for the hp goals you set
Originally Posted by kcfan
I ordered the budget kit today with the PT70 upgrade, FMIC and BOV. John Pham told me to get 42 lb/hr injectors and an upgraded fuel pump, which I did.
I have read posts that said I need to get some kind of piping for the intercooler that does not come with the kit. And others have said I need to get larger fuel injectors than the 42's. What is going on?
Do I need to get some kind of piping for the intercooler to work and do I need larger fuel injectors than the 42's?
I put my faith and trust in John Pham today and he said I need nothing other than his kit, the fuel injectors and the fuel pump. I don't know who to trust.
Pardon me for being a newbie but I really need your fellows help on this one.
Thanks,
I have read posts that said I need to get some kind of piping for the intercooler that does not come with the kit. And others have said I need to get larger fuel injectors than the 42's. What is going on?
Do I need to get some kind of piping for the intercooler to work and do I need larger fuel injectors than the 42's?
I put my faith and trust in John Pham today and he said I need nothing other than his kit, the fuel injectors and the fuel pump. I don't know who to trust.
Pardon me for being a newbie but I really need your fellows help on this one.
Thanks,
As for the 42#'s alot of people use them but anything over 8psi you could be close to maxing them out. Doesn't mean you will it's just alot of people here now buy bigger the first time that way they don't have to go back and buy again. But if you have the fmic then I think 7-8psi will be good for 500rwhp just make sure you get it TUNED.
The shop that puts your kit on will also have to do so fab work on the exhaust. They will have to connect the new downpipe that comes with the kit to your cat-back system. Again should be easy for any good shop. Going turbo isn't cheap by any means and I don't think you ever will stop buying stuff.
Just because once you get to the point where you running good at say 6psi you will want more and more and more But you did get a nice kit it's just going to take some more money to get it going. Last edited by HellRaiser; Mar 29, 2005 at 05:17 AM.
42 lb'ers (if there the green tops svo's) will support a little bit over 600rwhp with the right pump and pressure. ive seen them run nines on a certain yellow TA with a stock engine before.
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Umm you also need programming to be able to run the 42 and tune the car.But sure you new that ,either predator ,hptuners ,ls1 edit or could have a shop do it.You won't be able to drive the car very far with the injectors not set right in your computer.!!
Intercooler piping is pretty simple. I do think phamspeed should offer the kit with the pipes optional as once you make up one set pretty much can duplicate them but some guys might want to run things their way so buyimg it with no piping is not a big deal.Just make sure to use quality silicone couplers although at these low boost levels think reinforced rad type hose could work ok.And get t bolt clamps not the crappy ring gear types.Again don't think its a critical as these cars are set up blow thru not draw thru.In a draw thru car if you blow and intercooler pipe the car just dies and you have to fix it or tow it home.IN blow thru its not that big a deal.Also its good to get a bead on the pipes for even a bit extra insurance.And from experience in buddies car that turbo xs rfl live up to its nickname..real f$$king loud!!
Intercooler piping is pretty simple. I do think phamspeed should offer the kit with the pipes optional as once you make up one set pretty much can duplicate them but some guys might want to run things their way so buyimg it with no piping is not a big deal.Just make sure to use quality silicone couplers although at these low boost levels think reinforced rad type hose could work ok.And get t bolt clamps not the crappy ring gear types.Again don't think its a critical as these cars are set up blow thru not draw thru.In a draw thru car if you blow and intercooler pipe the car just dies and you have to fix it or tow it home.IN blow thru its not that big a deal.Also its good to get a bead on the pipes for even a bit extra insurance.And from experience in buddies car that turbo xs rfl live up to its nickname..real f$$king loud!!
Making pipes is pretty simple.Good speed shop or muffler shop should be able to set you up and you can buy couplers and clamps and all that on the net.
I think a stall should help an auto turbo car although thought heard they didn't .Can't see why they wouldnt a bit big craze in dsm world now is autos with bigger turbos and they are hitting 10s and getting great 60fts Most run a vigilante converter with like a 4500 or even 5000 stall.Works well and most use a two step I think to build boost at the line at least in manual cars not 100% sure if they work in auto cars or if programs like ls1 edit or hptuners have them in there.If not thought harlan makes a two step or they might have them in some ignitons .A two step lets you hold the gas to the floor and engine only goes to like 4500 and the turbo will build boost believe me it will build boost.
Manual cars can use these also.
So these tricks can let you run a bit bigger laggier turbo and still get a good launch.Other things that help make the bigger turbos liveable are downshifting
to get them spooled fast ,more compression but not too much or it limits boost,stroker motors and lighter flywheels help too.
That t70 will likely be fine and at the worst it will just mean more wicked top end than the smaller one at the expense of a bit higher rpm spool.But on our v8s woudl think they would still spool up by 3000 full boost or so.
and not spooling up as quick can help the traction problem that these turbo cars will have.Turbos blow tires off real easy.!!
I think a stall should help an auto turbo car although thought heard they didn't .Can't see why they wouldnt a bit big craze in dsm world now is autos with bigger turbos and they are hitting 10s and getting great 60fts Most run a vigilante converter with like a 4500 or even 5000 stall.Works well and most use a two step I think to build boost at the line at least in manual cars not 100% sure if they work in auto cars or if programs like ls1 edit or hptuners have them in there.If not thought harlan makes a two step or they might have them in some ignitons .A two step lets you hold the gas to the floor and engine only goes to like 4500 and the turbo will build boost believe me it will build boost.
Manual cars can use these also.
So these tricks can let you run a bit bigger laggier turbo and still get a good launch.Other things that help make the bigger turbos liveable are downshifting
to get them spooled fast ,more compression but not too much or it limits boost,stroker motors and lighter flywheels help too.
That t70 will likely be fine and at the worst it will just mean more wicked top end than the smaller one at the expense of a bit higher rpm spool.But on our v8s woudl think they would still spool up by 3000 full boost or so.
and not spooling up as quick can help the traction problem that these turbo cars will have.Turbos blow tires off real easy.!!
i agree with everything MY99TAWS6 said except the compression part. Stock compression is the highest compression I would ever run with F/I, and its still to high if your getting serious about boosting. 6.0L truck heads are a relativly cheap way to drop the C/R.
Heres the best way to figure out FI C/R: (lifted this from another thread)
note: the car in question had 8.xx:1 compression, so bringing the C/R to 9:1 would be a major drop for a stock ls1.
Heres the best way to figure out FI C/R: (lifted this from another thread)
If you want the car to have more low range power and spool the turbo quicker bump the compression to 9:1. Higher compression however will limit overall ultimate boost on 94 octane... but make the low end power much more pleasant to drive as it will have more torque without being under pressure (boost). Always tradeoffs.
I was talking my experience in the dsm world where stock is 7;8 to 1 in the first gen cars and guys go with 8.5 or 8.8 even 9 to 1.But of course our ls1 are already up there so you are right .In my personal car would drop it down a bit with 6.0 heads or dished pistons.Sorry to not be clear but it does work on dsm especially since 4 cylinder 2.0 are gutless off boost and have no torque compared to our v8s.
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