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some people are thick headed. I've said this a million times and I'll say it again. IF the car is PRIMARIALLY a street car, go with the A2A. It's simpler and avoids heat soak. Of the course of time on the road or @ a road course, you'll have nearly the same performance levles as when you just fired the car up (ITA wise). If you have a weekend warrior and you don't drive it that much or that often or it's primarily a STRIP car, then use the A2W2A because you can cool the ITAs A LOT with the exchanger. When someone finds out how to run both, now we'll be talking. Hey, that just gave me an idea, thanks Got Me SOM!

NA$TY-TA

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Thanks Rick i couldnt resist......
Kyle

smokinHawk

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i suppose since you stated your opinion that it must be correct.
you wont get heat soak if you have a watercooler/heat exchanger.
water will take out heat alot faster then air.
with both systems properly designed the air to water will win out in any driving condition

NA$TY-TA

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I agree with ya there.... for trach use a A2W is better and can get you a colder intake temp..... now for the street a A2A will work better longer then the A2W because once the water is heated up..... its over.
Kyle

smokinHawk

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what do you think this does?

sb427f-car

And that's what I was getting @ smokin'. If A2As didn't work so good for long hauls, then why would ever single turboed and intercooled diesel out there (at least to my knowledge) run an air to air. (I know, diesel not performance gas). Again, I was very adimit about saying a street car would work best with an A2A. Strip cars that you can change the h2o between rounds and add tons of ice would DEFINATELY be more efficent with an A2W2A. Eventually the system will heat soak on a street car. If you think about a properly designed engine cooling system, what is the lowest possible water temp. it can run @ with a closed, presure system? 140* 160*? Granted, an air to water to air system probably wouldn't run THAT hot with just a pressure system with ONLY h2o, it would still eventually contain more heat from the surounding engine bay than that of the ambient air. with a FMIC getting pleanty of air @ highway speeds, you wouldn't have to worry about that. Unless you have a way to exchange that water sufficently with a storage tank most likely located in the trunk or passanger compartment to avoid putting excess heat to the system (something that makes a true street car really inconcivable considering you'd have to pass x-changer piping or lines through the firewall or through the floor pan to run them under the car and into the trunk). All of that costs $$ and has to be custom done. Considering the majority of us don't live in Nevada or Arizona, which means that ambiet temp rarely get's above 95 in the east, touches 100s in the deep south, I'll stick with the A2A on a street / rare strip / road race, auto-x car because it's cheaper and in the end, more efficent for EXTENDED use.

MIGHTYMOUSE

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super power you guys made on that car. goodluck keeping the trans' in it.
..has to be the fastest ever t56 f-body (no not ET...that would be quickest )

smokinHawk

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if you have a fan on the heat exchanger and its getting good cooling air then it wont be too much higher then ambient.
the a2a will definatly be cheaper, cost always wins inproduction.
look at mightymouse's IAT he posted, even with just water in the system, not changing the water out and driving it on the street they stay as low as an a2a, maybe even lower.

Got Me SOM

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i like the design of my aftercooler, it runs to a cooler and is constantly being cycled. water never heats up. and i want some extra cooling i can dump some ice/ice water in.

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Jose,

Those results are beyond awesome! 1000 plus rwhp and 156+mph trap speeds is one bad futhermucker.

Nine Ball

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Nice results Jose! I can't wait to get your kit on the hugger SS

Tony

CHRISPY

That is AWESOME!

Take about 700 pounds out of that thing, throw in a 400 with brake and get back to the track! 165+ mph will be a joke!

I think a tranny change and leaving on boost will give HUGE drops in ET and better mph as well even at that heavy weight

NA$TY-TA

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So you did go with it for the Orange car Tony???? Or you still debating it????
If so what size turbo you go with??
Kyle

Nine Ball

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Yes, I spoke with Jose and have decided to go with the PTK setup on the orange car. We haven't worked out all the specs yet. Won't be very soon either, as I have other cars to get finished and events to attend first. Orange is 3rd priority

JZ 97 SS 1500

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I am trying to get another turbo to test on this car as well. Turbonetics is coming out with a new unit . I am hoping we can get it to fit.

Jose

sb427f-car

What kind of unit? Will the insanity ever stop??

JZ 97 SS 1500

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They are building a new T4 chassis turbo with new wheels as well . Will require 4" DP though.

WS-Sick

JZ, do you know what is done to his T56 and who built it?

JZ 97 SS 1500

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D&D built it, not sure on all the upgrades. But knowing him, probably a full upgrade. More then likely its the same Jim has done to his 6spd twin turbo LT1 car. Viper input shaft, output shaft...etc..etc

sb427f-car

That still on a PTE 88 frame?