Best route for FI on pretty stock DD?
Best route for FI on pretty stock DD? Hello, well my mods are in my sig, basically stock. I am very interested in going FI. This car is a Daily Driver but i jsut want that street killing power. Just wondering if a Turbo kit or a Supercharger is the best route and which one is the most user friendly for DD. I really dont want to encounter many problems with this and other stuff. I know i need a few more mods before i get the kit but am totally unsure whats the best route to go from where im at. I was pretty set on going stall next (3800, 2.5 str) is this too much for FI? Also than i was set on going LTs, intake, cam, nitrous for an 11 sec car but changed my mind to FI so need a new point of direction. Can osmeone pelase post up what they think would be the best next mods to go with and what kit to get? Thanks. I would like the FI to get me 11's or maybe high 10's with proper tires, suspension so maybe 500-600 rwhp??? Any input greatly appreciated. Im a newb to FI so bare with me here. thanks
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Actually im an idiot. I highly doubt ill be able to run 10's and 600 RWHP on stock trans, but i want enough power to make it worth it and be really damn quick and powerful but use my stock A4 and get as much life out of my 10 bolt as possible but dont mind getting a 12 later. thanks
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For ease of installation and ease of maintenance I'd go with an ATI D1-SC kit, with SDCE upgrade. Should put you in the tens quite easily with proper tires.
Long tubes and a good flowing exhaust will help as well as a set of 3.73's.
I don't think you are too far out of line with the whole 10 second thing. I've gone 11.10@125 on a stock tranny and 10 bolt up here in Alb(5600ft) on my forged set up. With my stock 346 I went 11.36@120 with the ATI kit. I would have been well into the 10s if I was at a lower elevation.
With the ATI/SDCE combo all I had to worry about was changing the sc'er oil every 3000 miles and regular maintenance stuff to the car.
J
Long tubes and a good flowing exhaust will help as well as a set of 3.73's.
I don't think you are too far out of line with the whole 10 second thing. I've gone 11.10@125 on a stock tranny and 10 bolt up here in Alb(5600ft) on my forged set up. With my stock 346 I went 11.36@120 with the ATI kit. I would have been well into the 10s if I was at a lower elevation.
With the ATI/SDCE combo all I had to worry about was changing the sc'er oil every 3000 miles and regular maintenance stuff to the car.
J
what is SDCE upgrade is that the 8 rib? or some kind of kog
Im ordering the intercooled serpentine race kit with D-1sc this is the best one to order for future upgrades right? or can I order the tuner kit with the D-1sc or is ther no difference
this is my part #1gj204-sc
Im ordering the intercooled serpentine race kit with D-1sc this is the best one to order for future upgrades right? or can I order the tuner kit with the D-1sc or is ther no difference
this is my part #1gj204-sc
Last edited by 01red28; Jul 17, 2005 at 03:00 PM.
Originally Posted by frcefed98
For ease of installation and ease of maintenance I'd go with an ATI D1-SC kit, with SDCE upgrade. Should put you in the tens quite easily with proper tires.
Long tubes and a good flowing exhaust will help as well as a set of 3.73's.
I don't think you are too far out of line with the whole 10 second thing. I've gone 11.10@125 on a stock tranny and 10 bolt up here in Alb(5600ft) on my forged set up. With my stock 346 I went 11.36@120 with the ATI kit. I would have been well into the 10s if I was at a lower elevation.
With the ATI/SDCE combo all I had to worry about was changing the sc'er oil every 3000 miles and regular maintenance stuff to the car.
J
Long tubes and a good flowing exhaust will help as well as a set of 3.73's.
I don't think you are too far out of line with the whole 10 second thing. I've gone 11.10@125 on a stock tranny and 10 bolt up here in Alb(5600ft) on my forged set up. With my stock 346 I went 11.36@120 with the ATI kit. I would have been well into the 10s if I was at a lower elevation.
With the ATI/SDCE combo all I had to worry about was changing the sc'er oil every 3000 miles and regular maintenance stuff to the car.
J
he knows his stuff!!!!! Might wanna ditch that GMS MAF and go back to a stock unit. Just my thoughts
BTW, I love ur rims Superman09! How much were they if you dont mind me asking?( i know, a lil off topic. sorry)
PROCHARGER D1SC tuner kit and 8 rib upgrade a must!! Or SDCE if you can afford it.
Long tube headers and a good exhaust is a will be needed as well to get rid of the extra air!!!
Long tube headers and a good exhaust is a will be needed as well to get rid of the extra air!!!
Ok, well thanks for the rims compliment. They are Privats, not sure of model exactly as they came on the came when i bought them. The original owner did not tell me the price of them but said they did cost quit a lot but im not sure. I know there privats so go check out there site and get back to me because im curious what they cost also, lol. So i should still get my stall and shift kit first than correct? Will a Fuddle 3800 with 2.5 str be too big for FI? Also than get a set of LTs to help the flow and maybe an LS6 intake with ported TB? I am curious what kind of Y pipe to get, no cats or catted considering how it will sound with the borla? Well ill worry about that later. So they best choice for DD is a supercharger over Turbo? and a D1SC 8 rib kit is the best to suit me? I have read up about good things from that before. I dont really trust myself in installing something like that so i would probably have speed inc do it for me. Any clue what a total d1sc 8 rib kit would cost installed and get me running after i get the LTs and intake and stall? Thank you. Also what amount of boost should i run on it to get me a lot of power but me safe on my trans and engine and 10 bolt for the time being. Id really like to keep my 10 bolt if at all possible considering ill be putting a lot of money into the supercharger and dont want to spend a few more grand at the same time for a 12 bolt. Thanks a lot for your input!
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Also i want to keep my A/C and powersteering if at all possible. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Superman09
Also i want to keep my A/C and powersteering if at all possible. Thanks
Save yourself the $600.00 on the SDCE kit and get the ATI Steel Bracket. You can get it from truetechperformance
Last edited by smokinHawk; Jul 18, 2005 at 05:22 AM. Reason: non sponser
You can keep it all, and have a great driver. I am runing the D1 and 8 rib upgrade and pushing about 9psi. Making 540hp 534tq. With no problems, going strong for the last 4000-5000 miles.The procharger kit keeps all components in the stock locations, so you wont loose your a/c or powersteering. As for the rear it should be fine for in town use, but if you plan on heading to the track you will have to go easy on it.
Ok thanks, sounds good. I think im set on a route. Are these PSI level adjustable like on a turbo? Or what is the max i should run? Anyway i can get bout 600 rwhp from my mods now, d1sc 8 rib LTs, stall, and intake with a good tune? WHat PSI should i run, thanks. Also stall info. What is a good streetable stall to use for FI but still give me a notcieable improvement? Also how much am i looking to spend on a new kit? Should i look into a used kitt o save money or am i looking for trouble buying one of these used? What should i look for/at in a used kit, thanks
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Originally Posted by Superman09
Ok thanks, sounds good. I think im set on a route. Are these PSI level adjustable like on a turbo? Or what is the max i should run? Anyway i can get bout 600 rwhp from my mods now, d1sc 8 rib LTs, stall, and intake with a good tune? WHat PSI should i run, thanks.
On a D-1 you can prolly hit 7-9psi on the stock bottom end and be ok.
Dunno if u'll hit 600rw but i think 500rw is doable@8-9psi w/ a good tune, 10 bolt, and locked verter i think. Maybe more, u never know. Id seriously think bout getting that tranny built up though
but i'd look into getting a H/C, built bottom, and 12-bolt if you're budget permits if ya wanna keep raising the power level
Last edited by Wicked_Hugger99; Jul 18, 2005 at 08:05 AM.
Yea well id love to be i nthe 500's for RWHP after the turbo and LTs, im getting the stall, shift kit and cooler all at the same time before the FI. I want to be ok on stock engine, trans and 10 bolt for a while if thats possible with like 500 HP and maybe mid 11's, than Ill do the 12 bolt and stuff to hit the 10s, than we can maybe go H/C and built bottom end, I am jsut learning about cams and heads but have no idea about building the bottom end. ill get my knowledge in in a few weeks. So you think i should run like 8 psi to be safe? Because i dont want to eff anything up until i have to by going bigger. With 8 PSI where do oyu think ill be HP and time wise? Than to bump it up to 10-12 PSI id have to build the bottom end, 12 bolt and upgrade trans maybe? Thanks. Just add all input you guys know about this as i am new and would like to learn as much as possible. thanks
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Originally Posted by Bryan Wilkinson
Save yourself the $600.00 on the SDCE kit and get the ATI Steel Bracket. You can get it from truetechperformance
I'm not alone in my support of the SDCE kit, I spent more money on brackets, bearings,pulleys, cogs and belts than i'd like to admit. Do it right the first time, go with the SDCE set up. Call em up, they can sell you a whole kit out the door.
Originally Posted by Bryan Wilkinson
Save yourself the $600.00 on the SDCE kit and get the ATI Steel Bracket. You can get it from truetechperformance
Save yourself the $600.00 on the SDCE kit and get the ATI Steel Bracket. You can get it from truetechperformance
Originally Posted by frcefed98
I'm not alone in my support of the SDCE kit, I spent more money on brackets, bearings,pulleys, cogs and belts than i'd like to admit. Do it right the first time, go with the SDCE set up. Call em up, they can sell you a whole kit out the door.
The
Headunit D1-SC, or F1
Blower J-Bracket with there spring tensioned 8 rib setup
Blower filter hat.
Fan and Fan shrouwd.
Thats all you need from them......
Then id order some more 3" SS piping whith bends in it....
Then some couplers and T-Bolts from Jim @ HTS
My own FMIC and build my bracket.....
And a ATI Race ready bypass or a Vortech Mondo bypass...... All that will be cheaper thenthe kit straight from ATI and perform better and be able to grow alot down the road.
Give SDCE a call they will hook you up.
Kyle
Originally Posted by Superman09
Yea well id love to be i nthe 500's for RWHP after the turbo and LTs, im getting the stall, shift kit and cooler all at the same time before the FI. I want to be ok on stock engine, trans and 10 bolt for a while if thats possible with like 500 HP and maybe mid 11's, than Ill do the 12 bolt and stuff to hit the 10s, than we can maybe go H/C and built bottom end, I am jsut learning about cams and heads but have no idea about building the bottom end. ill get my knowledge in in a few weeks. So you think i should run like 8 psi to be safe? Because i dont want to eff anything up until i have to by going bigger. With 8 PSI where do oyu think ill be HP and time wise? Than to bump it up to 10-12 PSI id have to build the bottom end, 12 bolt and upgrade trans maybe? Thanks. Just add all input you guys know about this as i am new and would like to learn as much as possible. thanks
Once again, just my opinion. These other guys like frcefed & na$ty know more about this stuff
Originally Posted by Wicked_Hugger99
These other guys like frcefed & na$ty know more about this stuff
Can't let the jackstands, ramps and jack just sit there in the garage
I'd build the car first, tranny, rear and fuel system. One day i'll follow up on my promise to buy a tranny and a rear, but as the saying goes....if it ain't broke, wait
Originally Posted by Stenod Kyle
If i was to ever buy another SC set up i would call SDCE and order the only these items....
The
Headunit D1-SC, or F1
Blower J-Bracket with there spring tensioned 8 rib setup
Blower filter hat.
Fan and Fan shrouwd.
Thats all you need from them......
Then id order some more 3" SS piping whith bends in it....
Then some couplers and T-Bolts from Jim @ HTS
My own FMIC and build my bracket.....
And a ATI Race ready bypass or a Vortech Mondo bypass...... All that will be cheaper thenthe kit straight from ATI and perform better and be able to grow alot down the road.
Give SDCE a call they will hook you up.
Kyle
The
Headunit D1-SC, or F1
Blower J-Bracket with there spring tensioned 8 rib setup
Blower filter hat.
Fan and Fan shrouwd.
Thats all you need from them......
Then id order some more 3" SS piping whith bends in it....
Then some couplers and T-Bolts from Jim @ HTS
My own FMIC and build my bracket.....
And a ATI Race ready bypass or a Vortech Mondo bypass...... All that will be cheaper thenthe kit straight from ATI and perform better and be able to grow alot down the road.
Give SDCE a call they will hook you up.
Kyle
Hey, ok so what is the SDCE kit? Also should iget the d1sc head unit or F1. I really dont want to build my motor at all so id run bout 8 psi in hopes for 11's and maybe need a 12 bolt. Well for sure the stall, shift kit and cooler are going in first along with longtubes and an intake before the supercharger. So any clue what this SDCE kit will cost for everything. Ill most likely have it installed by speed inc so it will be more considering i doubt i could trust myself in setting up soemthing like this. Any other recommendations of what to do? Do any of your Forced induction junkies have AOL IM where i can chat to pick up some more knowledge? If so let me know your screen name. Later
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F1 is too much for a stock block, just stick with the D1 for now.
The SDCE kit is an 8 rib, spring tensioned system that gives you nice consistent boost, no slip. www.sd-concepts.com, call Wendy and she'll give you pricing.
8psi intercooled is fine on a stock motor, its all in the tuning and speed inc can handle FI tuning all day long.
Install it yourself, the ATI kit is easy to install, its just nuts and bolts and it'll give you hands on experience with your kit, just in case something does go amiss and speed inc can't be there to bail you out...like at the track.
Fuel and tuning are the most important after install, but it looks like you have that covered.
J
The SDCE kit is an 8 rib, spring tensioned system that gives you nice consistent boost, no slip. www.sd-concepts.com, call Wendy and she'll give you pricing.
8psi intercooled is fine on a stock motor, its all in the tuning and speed inc can handle FI tuning all day long.
Install it yourself, the ATI kit is easy to install, its just nuts and bolts and it'll give you hands on experience with your kit, just in case something does go amiss and speed inc can't be there to bail you out...like at the track.
Fuel and tuning are the most important after install, but it looks like you have that covered.
J