Yes, I am having that same problem. I am eventually going to run the oil return straight in to the valve cover to resolve this, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

I undersatnd what you're saying, but those things aren't required to run the base kit. Trust me I know first hand, there are many things that will add up, but if you are running the basic kit, there is nothing else needed. Although injectors might be a good idea. Is the price you paid for the Phamspeed kit normal? Or did you get a discount for some reason?

 

I see his point as well.
Injectors are a mood point as neither company supplys them.
Most do buy headers and if your compairing the STS to the phamspeed you need to add in the costs of the bigger turbo and FMIC.
So now your fairly close to the same dollars spent even after you pay for labor.
The 3500 is not a normal price, he has a connection somewhere.

 

I was asked to tie this into my STS part 2 debate so I am going to.


"Next debate.
This time I will explain things as good as possible.
We are still in the street setup's. No race car's, not looking for 800 HP etc.
Lets say we are using a 346 longblock again with whatever Turbo setup you want. Its intercooled and makes 500 HP to the tire with 9psi.
Now we want a little more the cheep way.
We can turn boost up and run 11psi and Alki injection or we could spray it with a shot of nitrous.
93 octane is our limit on fuel but we will see a higher octane with the alki setup.
OUR goal is simple. What makes better power? What will produce better track results?
The nitrous is a 2nd power adder and cools great but from what I have seen you cant really up the boost any.
Uping the boost on the alki is the key as you see more octane, it cools very well and seems like it might be safer.
The Nitrous makes **** spool faster, does the alki?"


this was my only reply in the other thread.

"tie this in to your sts part 2 thread... Great thread by the way. Would spraying a small shot outta the hole help the STS kit spool faster and give better track times, or are you just getting to complicated on the setup and tuning? I know about the puddling debate, which is why I said small shot."

 

as for the oil cap problem Ive had my kit on almost a year and I dont have that problem but I know some do. no big deal every once in a while you wipe it off.to me boost is boost 500 hp on a front mount 500 on a rear mount 500 hp on a supercharger its all fun.ive seen my share of front mount kits at the track run 12.50s at 130mph etc its how the rest of the car is set up.
the sts turbo kit like all the other turbo kits and superchargers will put your car in a class of cars that is almost to fast for the street.and like I said its all about having fun

 

I think you are mistaken to assume that you need headers with a supercharger. I would venture to say that if you had a base ATI p1sc kit and you put it on a stock motor it would be faster than an STS bolted to a stock motor. Plus you would have a lot of room to grow with the P1SC.

My powerdyne made 400 rwhp with no intercooler, so the ATI should get you to 430 or 440 intercooled.

Something to think about.

-Geoff

 

Maybe but look at the price difference now. The STS kit is much cheeper.
Hell the install alone is 2x more. I believe the STS would make similar peak and better numbers throughout the curve. Remember the ATI dosen't see peak boost until in the 6000 RPM range where the turbo's make peak boost much faster providing more power in the lower RPM's.
Also if your running a 98/99 exhaust manifolds your gonna want headers. The 01/02 manifolds work well but the early years suck.
How much more room do you have to go on a P1SC?
They cant make much more then 9psi on a stock motor from the cars I have seen.
Good comparision though.
This is what were looking for.

 

Absolutely. Been fighting it for months. The problem is positive crankcase pressure while under boost. Solution almost resolved, but not pretty. Will probably be a catch can on the side to catch the oil pressured out of the engine. Will just have to empty it periodically, but it beats the puddle it has been leaving on the garage floor.

 

TTi Street Kit. It's a 100% complete kit, keeps all accessories, and isn't that bad of instal. I do say I'm partial to the kit myself.

 

Have a link to where you can see pics pricing and parts list?
I am not too fimilar with the TTi kit.

 

i dunno how you guys have oil problems, I was way more power and pressure then you guys and mine was fine. Other then the oil pan gasket i fucked up installing. I ran no pcv and put breathers in the valve covers.

 

I can speak for the supercharger guys it does not take till 6,000 rpm to reach peak boost.

cheap and performance do not go hand in hand fwiw. Once you start getting boost greedy things break, prepare for that to happen financially or have a credit card in hand to take to your nearest shop.

Sorry to be downer but its part of the game when modifying your vehicle.

Since you are on a stock bottom end, be conservative on your boost level and your tune and your **** will hold up.

 

Better turbo's wont change the fact that cooler exhaust gases = less exhaust velocity = longer spool time

 

I fixed my oil spraying issues at 10+ psi by simply using 2 zip ties. One around the base of the oil fill tube in a loop, then the 2nd around the fitting down around the loop at the base. Snug it and voila, no more oil spray. 25¢ solution.

You do need to replace them everytime you take the cap off though. The problem is caused by the lack of support on that side of the oil cap. There is nothing for it to grab on to.

 

A small a/r turbine housing fixes it though.

 

which means less power.

 

You need to take a close look at stock STS dyno graphs. Most drop off by 5500 or so. Go back and do a search on STS. Thunder racing put a kit on their heads/cam car and actually lost a couple tenths of ET. They gained it back with a new trans and high stall convertor. Figure in a converter and the install to that with the price of an STS, and it is very comparable to a blower.

Personally, if you only want 400 RWHP, just go heads and cam. My car put down 385/385 and I drove it down to the Thunder Shootout last year, raced it, and drove it back. Plus the cam is so mild it sounds stock. These LSX engines have some of the best flowing heads ever produced by an OEM. If you want the MOST reliable setup, this is the way to go. You can get 400 pretty easily with just a little more cam than I have.

-Geoff

 

I really wish I would have saw this thread and the other one earlier...

STS is joke. I wouldn't mess with STS again even if the damn kit was free. It sounded good, and seemed to make good power (never dynoed). But everything else about it sucked. Fit and finish of the parts straight up sucked. There was a lot of **** I had to modify because it didn't come from STS right. Whoever said 8 hour installation time in your driveway can go to #^$! themselves. Turbo lag... yes there is turbo lag. I had the T67, so the smaller turbo would have spooled a little quicker. Also I don't care what anyone says, but that turbo does hang down very low - even after tweaking everything to the max, and playing with the turbine housing... I got this weird oil leak from my valley cover. It would leak oil under boost. I checked out the PCV system thoroughly and I still leaked oil. No way would 5psi create that much blowby in my healthy engine. I could fill up a whole thread with how much this system sucks. Also if you don't have the stock I pipe the install will be even more pain. Ask me how I know. I had to buy a stock I pipe because the flowmaster one wasn't bent correctly among other variables...

Some people might like the STS, but as with dicks I don't like turbos in rear, but if that's your thing... okay.

Online everyone loves STS... but that's online. Everyone has a 10 second car AND is an expert mechanic. But in the real world you will find that a lot of people have problems with this stupid *** kit. The two things STS didn't lie about were that it sounds cool, and makes good power, other than that forget it.

Whenever I decide to do it all again... I'll do it right and definitely go H/C or ProCharger. I'd go front mount turbo if I didn't have to worry about visual inspection and had more cash. A front mount turbo is truly the cool way to go.

 

I can post a few t76 front mount cars that drop of at 5500 as well. If you choose the right parts it works fine.. Mine pulled to 7k with no problem. My d1 made more power then most sc cars here as well and that did drop off and made peak boost by 5500 just like most other SC cars on here. Just stop already.

 

oh please your the clownshoe who fucked up his whole install...EVERYONE GO SEARCH HIS POSTS before he deletes them. Tell me im wrong..i remember some of the dumbest questions ever from you. Stop acting like it was sts when in fact it was your chicken gumbo inept skills

Ya im sure it was installed right, esp after this thread. I wonder how many leaks there was nevermind other issues. Bash your idiocy not the kit

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