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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 09:56 AM
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As I put my LS2GTO together, I have ordered a wideband commander, looking at boost gauges; need computer tuning; working on the stereo....

...which has led me to believe we need to develop a car-pc that can do it all: monitor afr, boost, timing/kr/all other parameters from the OBDII port [like the aeroforce gauges], audio/video system, nav [if that's your cup of tea], and, of course HPTuners or similar software. Boost/methanol injection/N2O/fuel pump voltage boost/etc could all be controlled here => drive & log => retune => easy feedback/monitoring/adjustment.

So...LET'S GET WORKING ON THIS!!!
Seems like this might be a good start...

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...ata_main.shtml
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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Most of these guys have siphoned way too much gas. Sounds like you know your stuff.

LASERSHOP !!!!!!!! How many users can there possibly be out there with that nick... I saw a BAD-*** Thread on a home-brewed SC for Nitro RC Cars over at RCU what must have been 1-2 years ago plus..... That WAS you wasn't it?

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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MTBDOC
As I put my LS2GTO together, I have ordered a wideband commander, looking at boost gauges; need computer tuning; working on the stereo....

...which has led me to believe we need to develop a car-pc that can do it all: monitor afr, boost, timing/kr/all other parameters from the OBDII port [like the aeroforce gauges], audio/video system, nav [if that's your cup of tea], and, of course HPTuners or similar software. Boost/methanol injection/N2O/fuel pump voltage boost/etc could all be controlled here => drive & log => retune => easy feedback/monitoring/adjustment.

So...LET'S GET WORKING ON THIS!!!
Its easy to do and has been done....

http://indashpc.org/index.html

http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives...itx/car-pc.jsp

I have seen some great installs. the DSM will be eventually getting a big touch screen to go with the AEM EMS and its software...

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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 02:10 PM
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There have to be some other controls guys or general EEs around this site, right?
We lurk

Honestly, the industrial automation stuff is probably a bit on the overkill side I looked at some I to P controllers figuring I'd toss a micro on the input for my needs. But most have a min consumption rate, bad when running on a CO2 system with a small bottle. And those that did have 0 consumption at the set pressure were all, like you mentioned, a 24V system.

I simply opted to make my own, no fancy flip up display. Some noids, couple pressure transducers, a simple laptop program to input my boost profile, and the controller. It's working well so far, but not quite ready for primetime. In the midst of adding some D to the PI so I can drive the system a bit harder. Step response was not were i wanted it just yet.

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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/category.87/it.A/id.373/.f

Another good site...

With boost control it need not be elaborate.. In fact KISS works wonders. If you like lights etc and everything get a profec or a apexi.
Not for me however.
I'm still runing a MBC... Well a E-MBC... I have a solenoid that the EMS can kick in to "short" compressor pressure direct to the wastegate actuator should knock counts get too high.. I have never had it actually kick into service since I switched to alcohol fuel however....

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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by y2khawk
We lurk

Honestly, the industrial automation stuff is probably a bit on the overkill side I looked at some I to P controllers figuring I'd toss a micro on the input for my needs. But most have a min consumption rate, bad when running on a CO2 system with a small bottle. And those that did have 0 consumption at the set pressure were all, like you mentioned, a 24V system.

I simply opted to make my own, no fancy flip up display. Some noids, couple pressure transducers, a simple laptop program to input my boost profile, and the controller. It's working well so far, but not quite ready for primetime. In the midst of adding some D to the PI so I can drive the system a bit harder. Step response was not were i wanted it just yet.

/engineer speak off



Nice. So what are you using for the controller? Is it more like what I linked (micro PLC), or did you go with a microcontroller and build around it? The only micro programming I've done is some some older motorolla hc[idon't remeber] and I have a BASIC compiler for the PIC micros.... I've never done much analog work with micros though... PID is easy in the micro PLCs, I dunno how much of it would have to be ground-upped in a micro though.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SporkLover
Seems like this might be a good start...

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...ata_main.shtml
Nope. That is a free-standing system. A car-pc would handle the 'hardware' end of it; the available tuning software would handle a lot of the rest. Functions like boost control & methanol injection would require some other programs running. For example, if the MAP voltage = x, voltage to methanol pump = f(x)...I better stop...this is starting to look like school, and I completed my engineering degree 26 1/2 yrs ago!!!
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by V8_DSM_V8again
Its easy to do and has been done....

http://indashpc.org/index.html

http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives...itx/car-pc.jsp

I have seen some great installs. the DSM will be eventually getting a big touch screen to go with the AEM EMS and its software...

I'm quite familiar w/ car pc's...but I have NOT seen one integrated w/ tuning and the other parameters I mentioned.
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Originally Posted by Frost
LASERSHOP !!!!!!!! How many users can there possibly be out there with that nick... I saw a BAD-*** Thread on a home-brewed SC for Nitro RC Cars over at RCU what must have been 1-2 years ago plus..... That WAS you wasn't it?

Sorry for being
That's me. What gave it away........ the purple anodizing?
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That's me. What gave it away........ the purple anodizing?
It's quite the unusual handle.... that and with all of the gooberish kids over at RCUniverse it's easy to stand out Your old thread seems to be unearthed here and there at odd times. I don't know what kind of success there is to be had with FI on those little mills, but your work certainly looked top-shelf.

Click these to see one of the tiniest FI setups in the world, they are all three from the same thread, but lead you right to the pics:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=1343381

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=1350495

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Alright sorry guys, I'm all-topic again
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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Thanks. Haven't seen those for a while. They ran me out of there. Turns out you're not allowed to disagree with the forum moderator. As far as you EE's go....... one of you should be challenged enough to just do it. The market is already there. You just never know where things might go.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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On down the road when I have some more play time, I'm going to try something like this. I've got 2 in car computer systems like the ones out of state trooper cars. Actually, that's exactly what they are. The only problem is they are Sun machines which I have never messed with. Also, I'm an M.E., not an E.E. so this will get interesting.
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