Maybe some of you guys know allittle info that may help. This is the deal, Nick has a T70 Garrett turbo, with a junk yard dog makeup manifold system. We can't put this on his car. We looked at where to put the turbo and the option are numerous. most require allot of fabrication. We could buy the manifolds from one of the kit manufactures but they want your first child. So we have to concider other options.
First, where we want to put this turbo I don't see others doing it. I have to ask why. I think I know most of the reasons, but help us reason in or out this location.
The location is under the car on the passengers side about under the seat area.

Reasons to do it there:
1. You don't have to touch the exaust manifolds/headers, use what you have.
2. You don't have to put it in the already crowded engine compartment.
3.The complete system Can be removed and stock y pipe be put back in 2 hours.
4. Easy fabrication on your own, you don't have to build manifolds.

Reasons not to do it there:
1. Turbo lag with long pipe runs to intercooler(but the air would have more pipe exposed to the air to cool it down).
2. Very hot pipes running under car to turbo.
3. Thermogenic lost to turbo from longer runs.
4. 14" from closes manifold.
5. the turbo is 7" may need 1" floorboard modification.
6. will have to buy the $320 k Member(ha! bummer)
7. Will have to go out and buy a new tig welder, oh well another shop tool for my collection.

If you know of any other reasons that we can't or should not put it here let us in on it.
I've done allot of cars and done some crazy stuff that surprised allot of people. I cannot see any big reason that this won't work. I know its not text book correct and will not be the most bang for the turbo, but it may turn out to be the most bang for the buck.

Darren

[ January 08, 2002: Message edited by: Darren ]</p>

 

<img src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" border="0" alt="[boring]" /> come on now anyone! give me a thum up or down will ya!! <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" />

 

for a turbo that big, in that area, i don't see how even a 1" mod to the floor will give you clearance. Not to mention the toasty floorboard

 

I don't think anyone knows what your asking.

I e-mailed a few Turbo places tonight. Maybe they can shine a light on this subject.

 

I ve actually seen it there in an f body.....but the seat was gone and the floor gone......

It was the passenger seat...........

Room is the problem.......not the length of things..........

Then again most things in 4 th gens are room dependent....

 

Well, the Passenger side is already fucked up. cut a hole in the floor and fab up a box where the cat used to be. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

There is alot of room down low in front of the motor. What about there?

 

I have measured the area. It would fit now with out the floor board mod. It only 7" tall from top to bottom. The exhaust on the car now at its lowest point in 7" from the bottom of the floor board. I wanted to give the turbo 1" clearance for air to flow around. The exhaust side of the turbo is even smaller. Heat shielding blankets will have to be used on the exhaust housing and the floorboard.

It at this point seems the logical location.

Darren

 

Darren lets put that thing on my car! j/k Sounds like an interesting project. <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0">

Later,
Justin <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />

 

Justin,

We be playing with this thing this weekend your welcome to come by and check it out.
<img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Darren

 

I might just do that, I'll give ya a call if I go.

Justin <img src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" border="0" alt="[chug]" />

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What turbo is measuring 7"..????? My 72 measures about 9 .....but may be possible......


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How are you handling the oiling back to the pan?
Cheers,
Chris

 

[quote]Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>How are you handling the oiling back to the pan?
Cheers,
Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>

Chris,
oiling back to the pan will not be difficult. I will drill and tap the pan. I will find a good location where the casting is heavy. I have extra oil pans laying around I could mock up.

Darren

 

you may be able to drill/tep the pan easy enough, but.....

Gravity return is not an option down that low. Just the us Incon folks. I have a feeling the turbo will be lower than the sump pickup point.

better find a pump <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

 

[quote]Originally posted by y2khawk:
<strong>you may be able to drill/tep the pan easy enough, but.....

Gravity return is not an option down that low. Just the us Incon folks. I have a feeling the turbo will be lower than the sump pickup point.

better find a pump <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

y2khawk,
Please explain the problem you are speeking of. I'm not sure I follow you.
The way I see the turbo oiling system is we get oil pressure for the port near the oil filter. Run a #4 braded line to the turbo pressure port. the oil return line runs to the high point on the oil pan near the front of the engine. What am I missing here. What problems are the Incon turbo system haveing. Was there turbo running more oil volume and oil pressure was a problem? I know with two turbos that twice the oil bleed.

 

do anyone have a picture of the port to get the oil pressure from that will be very helpful

 

Darren, Harlan means that the turbo will not be able to drain into the pan via gravity because the outlet fitting for the oil will be below the fitting in the pan. As a result you will have to pump the oil out of the turbo and into the pan if you have it below the pan like that. Otherwise all that oil will simply stay in the drain line and cause you problems.

 

What hes hoping I think is that the feed will supply enough pressure to push the oil through the turbo and back into the pan...cause the feed is pressurized. I can quote sources, but I beleive its well accepted the the feed will NOT supply enough pressure to effectively push the oil back to the pan.
Welden make a pump...but thats just a starting point.

 

If u can get oil pressure up high enuff to push itself back to the pan, u'll have oil blowing past your turbo oil seals (read: oil into intake). Look around for remote mount oil pumps (STS system uses one, jammer says weldon, do a search).

 

How come none of you guys have realized that this post is over 2 1/2 years old? Who brought this up from the dead?