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Old 03-03-2002, 08:05 PM
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hey my buddy just got a powerdyne 6# and wants to know everything that he needs to do as far as tuning, where he gets reclibration for fmu, can you just give me a rundown on everything that he needs to tune it with and everything! Is it ok if he uses a auto tap and maft? to make it rich and lean? He has custom programming done by ed wright and he is sending it back to him to get it programmed for the the powerdyne! So can you tell me what all needs to be done and what he has to do!
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I can do my best.

I need to know everything the car has on it.

exhaust wise, fuel system wise, any other mods....

is he gonna use the stock air box or relocate the intake into the fenderwell?

what octane gas does he run?

once I have all that info I can make my suggestions.
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FATSS tell your buddy to scrap the 2 cheesy pusher fans it comes with and get a set of spal pushers ~1400cfm each if i recall properly, I havent had a cooling problem since i installed them even in traffic with the a/c on
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cool! you have these on the ac condesor?
did you seal the condesor and rad together somehow?

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Blackbird I can do my best.
I need to know everything the car has on it.

exhaust wise, fuel system wise, any other mods....

is he gonna use the stock air box or relocate the intake into the fenderwell?

what octane gas does he run?

once I have all that info I can make my suggestions.
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slp lt headers, cutout, flowmaster, stock fuel system, granatellin mass air flow ends, custom programming by ed wright, k&n, ls1 motorsports lid, 93 octane, ported throttle body, underdrive pulley, msd wires, tr6 plugs. Using stock airbox.
After the custom programming if it still runs rich or lean can he autotap it and adjust it out with a maft?

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Yes they are attached to the ac condensor though it is a rather tight fit. Yes i also put some duct tape accross the top and down the sides a few inches (looks like a$$) dont know if it helps but im sure it dosent hurt. Also I had a problem with the fans changing directions on me (dont ask i dont know how <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0"> ) but if you make sure the puller is wired to come on first it will fix that problem, to do this just use the left stock fan wireing (i think thats the one it is) and run the spals off the other fan wire. Be warned though, when they kick on they are loud.

[quote]Originally posted by Blackbird:
<strong>cool! you have these on the ac condesor?
did you seal the condesor and rad together somehow?

thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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[quote]slp lt headers, cutout, flowmaster, stock fuel system, granatellin mass air flow ends, custom programming by ed wright, k&n, ls1 motorsports lid, 93 octane, ported throttle body, underdrive pulley, msd wires, tr6 plugs. Using stock airbox.
After the custom programming if it still runs rich or lean can he autotap it and adjust it out with a maft?<hr></blockquote>

ok lets give this a shot. first off he will want to lose the underdrive pulley. last thing he wants to do is spin the blower slower. he will definetly see less boost and it may even hit later in the rpm range with that installed. don't want that. so pull the underdrive pulley.

the lid wont work so ditch that. Have him check the pics on my site and relocate the maf into the fenderwell and use a conical K&N filter. Much higher flow, smoother shot into the blower, worth almost a pound of boost which equates to around another 15 at the wheels. Very worthwhile.

I would recommend stock maf ends as well. Makes it much easier to tune. From what I hear Ed does not like to tune for aftermarkets mafs so go stock MAF. If harlan can make 600 thru it, it's fine.

Longtubes = NICE you will see big gains with these.

93 octane = NICE you can run more timing than me for example thus should make a bit more HP along the curve.

Cutout = NICE blower cars like exhaust flow.

Stock fuel sytem = BAD No way would I run with this, especially since the car will have the potential to put 450 to the wheels. Move to at least 36# injectors and enough pump to support them. Ditch the FMU and have Ed program accordingly.

If you want a timing curve to pass along to ed from the 91 octane car I programmed just let me know. For me my first attempt at yours would be this timing curve +2 degrees from 3600-6000

If you do all these things and get a good tune I really expect the car to be damn close to 450rwhp assuming it's a 6 speed with 3.42's and the 10 bolt.

Hope that helps, feel free to email me anytime if you have more questions.

Whoops! forgot the MAFT question. Technically yes, but shoot for a correct tune instead of having to bandaid it. No reason you should not be able to get it dialed in with good tuning.

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his car is an automatic and has 3:42's
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ok 435-440 then
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[quote]Originally posted by Blackbird:
<strong>ok 435-440 then</strong><hr></blockquote>

hey now.....
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What <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0">

I have to factor in a bigger loss thru the drivetrain. That's all. You know you automatic guys go faster with less HP making it to the wheels <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Won't ever see me doing this <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" /> with my extra 10hp to the tires <img src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" border="0" alt="[jester]" /> It's all you guys with auto's and stalls doing that <img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

How's your's coming along? I ran into a snag with my scanning/logging software, so tuning is on hold <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0">
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blackbird i was wondering if you would give me your phone # so i could call and talk to you
email me at saultproc@insightbb.com
and tell me ur name so i dont feel stupid!
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Blackbird, how much tuning have you done with ls1edit on your car so far? I might be in need of some assistance in doing it in the near future.
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FattSS sent ya mail.

SSoramac on my personal car very little to this point but on my friends car whose powerdyne I stepped him thru setting up I have been tuning like crazy. I think we are on rev 20 at this point <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Always happy to help. Shoot me a mail anytime.



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