DIY Kit vs Premade kit (not a typical thread)
DIY Kit vs Premade kit (not a typical thread) Ive been heavily researching a DIY turbo kit for the past month or 2 and from looking at prices for everything new, it seems as though I would hardly save any money, (if any at all) by going the homemade route, even with mild steel. I want to make ~500-550 to the rear wheels for a while. I would be going with a truck manifold build, and can get the manifolds for basically nothing, but it still seems to pretty much equal out to what Hi-flo and groundzero are asking for their base kits with me doing all the work myself? Am I adding things up incorrectly?
Turbo-1200
Wastegate-400
BOV-250
Mild steel tubing-500
couplers, fittings, collectors, supplies, oil lines, odds and ends-1500
FMIC-500
I know im forgetting things, anything I missed? Im off to class.
Turbo-1200
Wastegate-400
BOV-250
Mild steel tubing-500
couplers, fittings, collectors, supplies, oil lines, odds and ends-1500
FMIC-500
I know im forgetting things, anything I missed? Im off to class.
this is identical to ever other thread of its type haha..
do you have a welder? do you have experience using the welder? dont think you can get some $100 welder off ebay and just "use it". honestly. id say approx 4g in equipment if you dont have it. 1500 for a decent welder, then you need tanks, wire, gloves, mask, 200v if you dont (which i didnt). etc. then after you have it, you still arent a welding expert.
hi flow is ridicliously awesome. im seriously livid i thought i had to turn my car into a race car to fit a turbo and such. i wish marko was around a year ago. ******* hahaha.
do you have a welder? do you have experience using the welder? dont think you can get some $100 welder off ebay and just "use it". honestly. id say approx 4g in equipment if you dont have it. 1500 for a decent welder, then you need tanks, wire, gloves, mask, 200v if you dont (which i didnt). etc. then after you have it, you still arent a welding expert.
hi flow is ridicliously awesome. im seriously livid i thought i had to turn my car into a race car to fit a turbo and such. i wish marko was around a year ago. ******* hahaha.
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Originally Posted by black_z
Turbo-1200
Wastegate-400
BOV-250
Mild steel tubing-500
couplers, fittings, collectors, supplies, oil lines, odds and ends-1500
FMIC-500
I know im forgetting things, anything I missed? Im off to class.
Wastegate-400
BOV-250
Mild steel tubing-500
couplers, fittings, collectors, supplies, oil lines, odds and ends-1500
FMIC-500
I know im forgetting things, anything I missed? Im off to class.
id get the high-flo while the price is rediculously low. with 321 and all
hopefully it will be a while before they realize the price is to low and raise it.
so get it while you can, i dont think you can build one yourself cheaper
hopefully it will be a while before they realize the price is to low and raise it.
so get it while you can, i dont think you can build one yourself cheaper
The thing is im low on cash right now (school) and I am just going to start collecting parts, and hopefully tackle the install next winter (06-07) Or I could just start saving now, and buy parts of the fuel system and hopefully have enough next winter. Its not possible for me to drop 4-5K right now. Im just kind of trying to figure out what I want to do, if its realistically going to cost 4000 for me to duplicate the parts that Hiflow is offering, its not reallly worth it.
Originally Posted by JRL96TA
It all depends on what parts you wanna use. The MP T70 can be had for about $650. A Turbosmart WG or Deltagate can be had for about $250. There is no way that steel tubing should cost $500 especially without building headers. More like $250. That's already ~1k less. However a premade kit saves alot of time and hassle.
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Originally Posted by black_z
The thing is im low on cash right now (school) and I am just going to start collecting parts, and hopefully tackle the install next winter (06-07) Or I could just start saving now, and buy parts of the fuel system and hopefully have enough next winter. Its not possible for me to drop 4-5K right now. Im just kind of trying to figure out what I want to do, if its realistically going to cost 4000 for me to duplicate the parts that Hiflow is offering, its not reallly worth it.
but if you cant afford your cant afford,
what i always say take your intial estimate on how things are going to cost then double it, you might have enough then.
They are asking $2300 for the hot parts, that seems a little high, especially if he doesnt mind ditching the AC to do it with the manifolds. The kit looks pretty cool and $4300 for the whole kit is not expensive at all, but the hot parts for $2300 seems a little high to me. Even though I understand that a lot of research has gone into this and its pretty much the only tubular kit that does not do away with accesories. I still feel that it can be done for less than that.
CMC
CMC
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Originally Posted by black_z
MP T70? What company makes that? Do you happen to know how much power potential that turbo has for a 346?
Originally Posted by Hawkcmc
They are asking $2300 for the hot parts, that seems a little high, especially if he doesnt mind ditching the AC to do it with the manifolds. The kit looks pretty cool and $4300 for the whole kit is not expensive at all, but the hot parts for $2300 seems a little high to me. Even though I understand that a lot of research has gone into this and its pretty much the only tubular kit that does not do away with accesories. I still feel that it can be done for less than that.
CMC
CMC
i think piping cost of my kit in aluminzed came to about $1k with the vbands, and the vbands i used were cheap ones
dont forget the price of the welder you would have to buy if you built it yourself, you can get away with a $500 mig if your not doing aluminum, but my tig i got that can do aluminum was $1700.
plus you save yourself the headache of laying a kit out, i enjoyed building my own but it definatly was a headache.
with all that considering and being in 321 thats a dang good price, i suspect it wont last for long as they will find out they would be loosing money.
[QUOTE=Hawkcmcits pretty much the only tubular kit that does not do away with accesories. [/QUOTE]
PTK's kit and the old Phamspeed kit have turbular manifolds and also keeps all accesories.
PTK's kit and the old Phamspeed kit have turbular manifolds and also keeps all accesories.
Originally Posted by JRL96TA
The Turbo is made by MasterPower hence the MP. It's probably the best bang for the buck turbo out there right now. That turbo will support 600hp on a 346. Check it out http://www.forcedinductions.com/productsMP.htm
Originally Posted by SUPER DAVES Z
PTK's kit and the old Phamspeed kit have turbular manifolds and also keeps all accesories.
Sorry if I upset you SmokinHawk, that wasnt my intention. I was just stating my thoughts. Black_z almost everyone of these threads I have read have stated that it will cost AT LEAST 4 grand to get the kit done. I plan on attempting it this winter using mild steel Bends, OBX intercooler, and a MP T70. So you are not the only one with this idea. I do plan on making my own manifolds because I would like to keep the AC if possible. So just keep researching and learn what you can.