The real cause of my old engine woes
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The real cause of my old engine woes well maybe.
anyways some of you know how i thought i took out a head gasket, after less then a month driving it and at only 5psi.
well when the heads came off i realy didnt look like the gaskets were that bad. there was a little distortion, but that was thought to be one when the heads were removed. next checked the block, it was fine. the bearings were found to be worn though. still confused why my exhaust was pumping out white smoke at idle, pretty much idle alone.
lastly the turbo was checked, it was fine, but upon further investigation it was discovered that a right angle oil fitting was used in the install. this along with it being oriented the wrong way cause not enough oil to get in the turbo. This caused the smoke out of the exhaust, or so my mechanic said.
does this sound beleivable?
the engine wasnt worn exept for the bearings. head gaskets didnt look bad although they still could have allowed a small amount of coolant to enter the combustion chambers.
oh well i might be broke but i got a tough engine out of the deal.
anyways some of you know how i thought i took out a head gasket, after less then a month driving it and at only 5psi.
well when the heads came off i realy didnt look like the gaskets were that bad. there was a little distortion, but that was thought to be one when the heads were removed. next checked the block, it was fine. the bearings were found to be worn though. still confused why my exhaust was pumping out white smoke at idle, pretty much idle alone.
lastly the turbo was checked, it was fine, but upon further investigation it was discovered that a right angle oil fitting was used in the install. this along with it being oriented the wrong way cause not enough oil to get in the turbo. This caused the smoke out of the exhaust, or so my mechanic said.
does this sound beleivable?
the engine wasnt worn exept for the bearings. head gaskets didnt look bad although they still could have allowed a small amount of coolant to enter the combustion chambers.
oh well i might be broke but i got a tough engine out of the deal.
Re: The real cause of my old engine woes Did you check the valve guides or seals? Does the heads have alot of mileage on them? Are you sure that the turbo's seal are ok? I had a 87 Daytona with a turbo and it chugged a big cloud of smoke when get on it hard and rev it to 6 grand. That is the only two that I can think of that causes that kind of smoke.
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SmokinHawk:
<strong>lastly the turbo was checked, it was fine, but upon further investigation it was discovered that a right angle oil fitting was used in the install. this along with it being oriented the wrong way cause not enough oil to get in the turbo. This caused the smoke out of the exhaust, or so my mechanic said.
does this sound beleivable?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um. Ok. But is your oiling system so incredibly marginal that a 90* fitting would burn a turbo?
Somethings NOT ringing true here.
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<strong>lastly the turbo was checked, it was fine, but upon further investigation it was discovered that a right angle oil fitting was used in the install. this along with it being oriented the wrong way cause not enough oil to get in the turbo. This caused the smoke out of the exhaust, or so my mechanic said.
does this sound beleivable?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um. Ok. But is your oiling system so incredibly marginal that a 90* fitting would burn a turbo?
Somethings NOT ringing true here.
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes i run a 90 degree fitting on the turbo for the GN and so does 95% of the GN crowd. Oil smoke is black no? How much oil were you running, you should run 1 quart over for just the turbo. If you smoked the bearing in the turbo, you would hear it.
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes turbo is just fine. im not quite sure what went on but at idle it would spew out tons of white smoke.
they just though it might not be getting enough oil in it.
they just though it might not be getting enough oil in it.
Re: The real cause of my old engine woes Hey guys i GOT this one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> My turbo was clocked at 6 oclock like Turbotech says. It would smoke A LOT sometimes. Especially when slowing down. At times I thought the motor blew. By 6 oclock, I mean where the oil OUTLET sits...the big hose <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I rotated it to 7-7:30 and it quit smoking all together. Its not "pretty" as the hose is a little kinked but it works.
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cablebandit:
<strong>Hey guys i GOT this one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> My turbo was clocked at 6 oclock like Turbotech says. It would smoke A LOT sometimes. Especially when slowing down. At times I thought the motor blew. By 6 oclock, I mean where the oil OUTLET sits...the big hose <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I rotated it to 7-7:30 and it quit smoking all together. Its not "pretty" as the hose is a little kinked but it works.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no offense but i think you just a restriction in your oil return line that wasn't allowing all the oil to drain back effeciently to the pan causing the smoking problem. More than half the turbo world puts them in the 6 o clock position as you state and most do not have problems, its usually the drainback line thats the issue
<strong>Hey guys i GOT this one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> My turbo was clocked at 6 oclock like Turbotech says. It would smoke A LOT sometimes. Especially when slowing down. At times I thought the motor blew. By 6 oclock, I mean where the oil OUTLET sits...the big hose <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I rotated it to 7-7:30 and it quit smoking all together. Its not "pretty" as the hose is a little kinked but it works.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no offense but i think you just a restriction in your oil return line that wasn't allowing all the oil to drain back effeciently to the pan causing the smoking problem. More than half the turbo world puts them in the 6 o clock position as you state and most do not have problems, its usually the drainback line thats the issue
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Verdad Gallardo Re: The real cause of my old engine woes No offense take. Turbotech has us put the turbo at 6 oclock like everyone else. Problem is, that puts the turbo oil line level with the oil pan at best. Our oil return tap is on the bottom side of the oil pan. I think we really need it located in the front like the vortech does. If you clock the turbo at 7oclock it at least gives you a downward path to the oil pan. I dont have a restriction now....just a downward path to the oil pan <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cablebandit:
<strong>No offense take. Turbotech has us put the turbo at 6 oclock like everyone else. Problem is, that puts the turbo oil line level with the oil pan at best. Our oil return tap is on the bottom side of the oil pan. I think we really need it located in the front like the vortech does. If you clock the turbo at 7oclock it at least gives you a downward path to the oil pan. I dont have a restriction now....just a downward path to the oil pan <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok, now THAT makes more sense. And in a sense i was right but didn't know all the variables.
<strong>No offense take. Turbotech has us put the turbo at 6 oclock like everyone else. Problem is, that puts the turbo oil line level with the oil pan at best. Our oil return tap is on the bottom side of the oil pan. I think we really need it located in the front like the vortech does. If you clock the turbo at 7oclock it at least gives you a downward path to the oil pan. I dont have a restriction now....just a downward path to the oil pan <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok, now THAT makes more sense. And in a sense i was right but didn't know all the variables.
Re: The real cause of my old engine woes wish i knew that when i had the kit <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> i sent the whole turbo back and got it rebuilt, when i could have just rotated it.. george needs to know this.
Re: The real cause of my old engine woes George cant get his *** out of his head long enuff to listen. He swears that wont work but it did for me. He needs to recommend the pan be tapped on the front face like the vortech...i bet noone would smoke then. I mean working with gravity aint rocket science.....I'm just a little ill with George....he is so resistant to change or new ideas. His kit could be a lot better with no increase in cost to him or the customers but he wont budge unless really hassled about it.
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes George and head out of his *** NEVER HAPPEN.
Mine was setup with it on the front one thing i was going to try is to raise the turbo up 1" to promote drainback.. Kit is sold though and twins are going on <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Mine was setup with it on the front one thing i was going to try is to raise the turbo up 1" to promote drainback.. Kit is sold though and twins are going on <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes Think he means a picture of your turbo oreinted the correct way.
although a picture of George's head up his bung hole would be good also. <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" />
although a picture of George's head up his bung hole would be good also. <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" />
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes cablebandit, so you think there might be pressure from both ends. If the oil return exit is lower then the top of the oil level in the pan, then oil from the pan would be trying to get into the turbo from that side, so maybe soo much pressure builds up that some oil is blown into the engine and some might be blown straight out of the exhaust. The oil would have to burn in order to smoke right?
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Re: The real cause of my old engine woes I've noticed alot of ill will towards Turbotech over the last year and half or so. I actual went there and had them install my kit, they seemed like allright guys. I think I set a reacord with my results, for the least powerful FI LS1 in the country(350hp/422rwtq), but all that aside I thought they were OK. What seems to be the problem?
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