Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BLOWNMERO:
<strong> BlackLS1T/A.. your a real jerk. Thats all I have to say </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Someone with half a brain never could think up much intelligent to say. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Scott 98Z M6:
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I am really kind of shocked that some people on here are supporting Kenny when the fact is that he probably lied to this guy. Is GWP even a sponsor here???

Scott </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Scott, I support him because I know what Kenny as done for me and others I know. I know he's slow sometimes, but he always delivers. He's not hte monster this guy is painting him to be.

For someone to talk about taking him to court and trying to ruin his busness irks me. If a person can't wait for quality work to get done when it comes to making their car as fast as Kenny can do, they have no business bothering.

I believe he is wrong about Kenny, and I stand by it.

I have an Uncle that built race cars when I was a little boy. Guys would complain about how slow Uncle Joe was and moan and complain. But, when the job was done, that car would kick ***.

He was as honest as they come, and he knew more than they would ever know. But htey disrespected him because he would take his time and do it right. These immediate satisfaction guys **** me off. It's like a woman you can never hope to please no matter what you do. These guys have no clue as to what it takes to make a car perform.

They ride a guy's *** who sells them a supercharger kit where the profit margin is in a couple hundred dollar range and act as if they fed the guy's family. That same kid makes that much money in one day after taxes, but he thinks nothing of making a guy spend SEVERAL days, exclusively, for him, gabbing on the phone and calling several vendors two or three times a day to constantly check if it moved from point A to point B, or if it got stocked yet, etc.

It's not worht it, and I wouldn't do it. The people that ARE willing to put these kits together for us ought to get a LITTLE more respect and a LITTLE bit more credit than what we give them!

Some people are just too self-centered. And when it becomes a "ruin 'em" party, asking people what do THEY want to see him do, he's just having too much sadistic fun, for my taste, <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" /> at the expense of other people who have a livelihood.

You don't have to agree with me. That's just the way I feel, and I respect the way you feel. As long as he wants to use a public forum as his tool to get his kidly-acting way, he can stand the heat of those who disagree with him or think he's an *******.

Phate

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Scott, I support him because I know what Kenny as done for me and others I know. I know he's slow sometimes, but he always delivers. He's not hte monster this guy is painting him to be.

For someone to talk about taking him to court and trying to ruin his busness irks me. If a person can't wait for quality work to get done when it comes to making their car as fast as Kenny can do, they have no business bothering.

I believe he is wrong about Kenny, and I stand by it.

I have an Uncle that built race cars when I was a little boy. Guys would complain about how slow Uncle Joe was and moan and complain. But, when the job was done, that car would kick ***.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with you that sometimes things take time. One of the things that people need to learn is that delivering a quality product in a 'reasonable' amount of time is tough...and sometimes impossible. I have learned this many times over, and whenever I forget it something always pops up that reminds me.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He was as honest as they come, and he knew more than they would ever know. But htey disrespected him because he would take his time and do it right. These immediate satisfaction guys **** me off. It's like a woman you can never hope to please no matter what you do. These guys have no clue as to what it takes to make a car perform. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your uncle might have been as honest as they come, but I think that is the issue that people are having with Kenny. What I take exception with is the fact that it looks like Kenny lied to this guy, which I think is wrong…and that has caused this entire problem.

Yeah it sucks when you have to tell a customer that something is going to take longer, but it is worse to lie to them and then have them find out, which might have happened here.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> They ride a guy's *** who sells them a supercharger kit where the profit margin is in a couple hundred dollar range and act as if they fed the guy's family. That same kid makes that much money in one day after taxes, but he thinks nothing of making a guy spend SEVERAL days, exclusively, for him, gabbing on the phone and calling several vendors two or three times a day to constantly check if it moved from point A to point B, or if it got stocked yet, etc. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don’t buy this at all. I seriously doubt that Kenny produces these kits so that he can make people happy at detriment to himself. If there was no money in it then GWP would not be doing it.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's not worht it, and I wouldn't do it. The people that ARE willing to put these kits together for us ought to get a LITTLE more respect and a LITTLE bit more credit than what we give them!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps he would have gotten a little more respect and a little more credit if he hadn’t lied to this poor guy?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Some people are just too self-centered. And when it becomes a "ruin 'em" party, asking people what do THEY want to see him do, he's just having too much sadistic fun, for my taste, at the expense of other people who have a livelihood.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Or maybe he is just young and inexperienced and wanted to ask the same people whose opinions he probably used when deciding what supercharger kit he should purchase.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You don't have to agree with me. That's just the way I feel, and I respect the way you feel. As long as he wants to use a public forum as his tool to get his kidly-acting way, he can stand the heat of those who disagree with him or think he's an *******. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly why I wrote back <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Scott

<small>[ March 08, 2003, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Scott 98Z M6 ]</small>

frcefed98

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From the first page of the link that I put up a couple post ago. Sounds like the same thing that happened bad happened to him and another friend of mine. Its too bad that this **** goes on. I don't care what you say Kenny doesn't not make these kits, ATI does. The headunit is ATI the bracket is ATI and all hardware is ATI, tuning is done by GWP and the fuel system might be different from the ATI supplied unit but other than that GWP does not make this kit any better unless you get the 8 rib conversion or FMIC option. SO what is kenny getting credit for Black LS1 T/A other than taking peoples money to finance other projects or to pay bills that he owns $$ on? Oh Yeah here is that page....


SuperSport2000
Burnout Box
Member # 1358
posted April 17, 2002 06:02 PM
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After hearing about how good GWP's customer service was I decided that I was going to buy their Stage two ATI kit. I ordered the kit on March 7th. Jason told me it would take about two weeks to get the kit. I gave him a 50% deposite up front. In less then five days I sent him the rest of the money. They said the kit should ship on March 27th. Well it never did. Then they said it would go out on March 28th but I never received anything. Once again they said the kit would ship out April 2nd but nothing ever happened. I got fed up and call Jason again. I was being very nice to them and nothing ever got done. Once i told them that I wanted my money back if my kit doesn't get shipped, everything changed. Jason became a complete a$$hole. He said he was going to charge me a 20% restocking fee. Also he asked my why I was calling ATI (in a very hostile voice.) I told him that I wanted to find out the progress on my kit. He said quote " you have know business calling ATI." I was like WTF I am buying a companies product and you are telling me I can't call them? I tols him that him and his company are nothing but middle men. He then asked me if I have ever bought aftermark mail order parts before. I told him yes and he said haven't you ever had a delay in shipping and I told him NO. When a company says they are going to deliver a product by a certain date they should stick to their guns. After $60 in phone calls and being dicked around I finally got my kit on April 6th. I am not using this as a flame but only to make people aware of this company. The only reason I bought from them is because everyone said they were the best. They are FAR from it. They need to keep in mind that THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. That is what Jason and GWP need to learn. They are a very poor excuses for business men.
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Posts: 156 | From: CA | Registered: Nov 2001

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Pro Stock John

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Please no name calling.

If the poster paid in full and has waited 3 months w/o tracking numbers I would be concerned too. It is after all $6500.

And they are not sponsors here.

Does Jason still work there?

I've been leaving this thread open because the poster has been pretty reasonable.

I think I have two friends who have gotten ATI D1's in the last three months and I don't think they waited more than 4 weeks from the point of paying in full but I will ask both of them.

badz2801

Yeah I am pissed, very pissed.

Kenny had over a week to make sure it go there. He had plenty of time to make sure funds were available and went thru. Even if there was actual legdit to his excuse, he waited to last minute.

I called the credit card company and it is in their hands now. If Kenny wants his money ill get that system. The simple fact remains Kenny has been giving me the run around for months now. I question if I am actually going to get the system. Calling the credit card company actually insures that I will get it back or the money. I have held off from contacting the authorities, for now.

Blackls1TA: I dont even want to hear it from you. I was told by Kenny that he was working on a plan so you could purchse that 422 from him. If I did not get all my money upfront I would make you wait too.(That is what I was told by Kenny so I do not know this for a fact.) You simply defend this man when he has infact lied to me and taken my money. Are you his PR rep? I am using this board to spread information about this man.
Information in my case that is true. After this I am no longer going to respond.


The PCM did come in, thank god. No word on its condition, as I have not gone to open the box(grandmothers house). Ill post what I know ASAP.

Black LS1 T/A

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99taws6:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Black LS1 T/A:


And he ordered his kit in December. That's three months, not five. This was over the time of year with the most holidays back to back and several snow and ice storms have hit areas of the country not used to operating with those conditions. This affects shipping even further.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am sorry my math was off November (1), December (2), January (3), February (4) and March (5) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Either way, I think what is happening to him is wrong. I remember a similar thing happened to me over a set of headers.. No one else had them in stock, but one shop (Muscle Motors) said that they had them and could ship that day. They did not. They charged my card and took 10 days to ship them.

I can be the most patient person as long as I am kept informed about what the progress is. Do not feed a person lies and expect them to remain patient </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He ordered it in December.

December to January is 1
January to Feb is 2
Feb to March is 3

Three (3) months.

JUISSD

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Black LS1 T/A, you're the biggest most pathetic excuse I've ever seen for a shop cheerleader. You make it sound like this guy is some sort of saint, and that he's the only one that can make a car fast. I'm SURE he's just doing all this out of the goodness of his heart right? Give me a break. The guy drops $6500 and is promised a delivery date, and over 2 months later still hasn't received the product. "Oh it takes time to do it right" blah blah blah, what a bunch of ****. This is a kit that he offers and if he says it should ship out by a certain date, make damn sure it gets ships out, bottom line! If it's going to take 3 months instead of 3 weeks, then tell the guy up front it's going to. I don't want to hear, oh the Christmas holidays this, the weather that, horseshit! Lies lies and more lies. If YOU want to be up this guy's ***, that's fine, but don't expect someone that was lied to continously (and actually has a backbone to stand up for himself) to just bend over and take it up the ***. By the way, you waited how long for your stuff? Oh that's right, it takes time to make a good package right? A blown 422 making 526rwhp. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Hammer, you're an even bigger *******. Were you with Kenny when he made up all the lies too?

Black LS1 T/A

Ummm, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I didn't say Kenny makes the ATI Procharger... he assembles the kit.

YOU order each and every part required to assemble a Stage II or Stage III and tell me how long it takes to get all the parts. You may order a pump, for instance, and have to ride whoever you got it from all day, every day for goodness knows HOW long. Multiply that, and miscellaneous things that can happen, for those parts and it can get dragged out. If you want OTHER than the base kit, EXPECT delays... simple as that... not a hard concept to grasp.

I told Kenny once that he should forward each part to a guy as he got them, to keep these guys satisfied, but he is concerned they will try to make partial installs and hurt their car becuase certain pieces are not in place. But, I see he is being shoe-horned into breaking that policy.

BTW... the shop doesn't make $6500. ATI, the pump manuvacturer, the company t hat mde the injectors, the misc parts... they make most of that. If this kid paid $6500, he must have ordered more than a Stage II kit. Who KNOWS what else he had coming with opportunities for delay.

I wouldn't be so extreme with my argument if some of you weren't so extreme with yours. You see NO credibility that these things happen.

H-OWS6

If I spent $6500 with a company and was LIED to and did not have phone calls returned I WOULD BE REALLY PISSED. This guy has more patience than I ever would have had. Hope the credit card company gets his money back and Master Card takes merchant rights away from GWP.

JUISSD

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I fully understand that it takes time to piece together a kit, especially when you have to get the products together from different vendors. That's NOT the issue at hand here. Is this the first time Kenny put together one of these kits? Nope. He knows that it takes time to put them together, so why does he promise delivery dates that he can't make? It's not the guy's fault that Kenny can't make the delivery dates. This brings us to the REAL issue here: HE LIED. The product never even shipped! Why are you not addressing this issue? You rant and rave about it taking time, etc etc, but you haven't once addressed the issue of the guy being lied to. The **** never shipped, and all these stories were total bs. THAT's the problem here.

I know the shop didn't "make" $6500, I never said that. BUT, that doesn't change the fact that this guy SPENT $6500. If putting together this kit isn't cost effective, don't friggin do it! He makes some money off the kit (which he's supposed to, he's a business man) but that's not the point. The LIES are the point. Again, you haven't addressed that issue once, nor will you because you don't have a leg to stand on.

This isn't the first time I've seen threads concerning late shipments, lies, etc etc coming from this shop. When we're ready to put our ATI in, I KNOW where it WON'T be coming from.

shane p

Hammer maybe you should go work for him if your all buttbuddies so he can get parts out as promised badz2801 you are getting fu**ed this guy is running you in circles and even if you get your parts he be of much help with questions. call the credit card company and get a refund and deal with some else I got screwed by excessive motorsports and I am trying to get a refund and deal with thunder racing

O2BQIK

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by H-OWS6:
<strong> If I spent $6500 with a company and was LIED to and did not have phone calls returned I WOULD BE REALLY PISSED.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've always heard good things about GWP and the loyalists in this thread speak well of that shop. It's true that things take time, and it's true that problems like this may make tuners want to stop doing things for the masses. However the quote above is very, very true. I'd be pissed too if I were this guy. Whether or not there were good reasons for the delay, the kit was promised at a certain date and wasn't delivered. Add to that all the various explanations (excuses maybe?) that seem far-fetched, and the lack of callbacks...yeah I'd be pissed.

Black LS1 T/A

I agree. He should ask for his money back and not use GWP.

badz2801

Hey everyone.

Thanks for the support, it makes a difference.

I took the weekend off to get away from this mess.

Don't waste your time with BlackLS1TA, its not worth the fight. When you have the arrangment that he does with GWP, it justifies his opinion.

Well ATI called and the funds have been transfered. The blower system should be on my doorstep Tues. So we have a pump, controller, ATI kit soon and PCM.

I need help from the members one last time. I need you to list out everything that came with your GWP kit. From what I know I am missing the following:

42lb injectors
Fuel lines
Fans
Instructions
some sort of pressure release valve.


Sincerely
Badz2801