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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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Maybe I should clairfy thats its not a race car. That car is as far as you can get from being a street corvette as you can get aside from a full tube chassis.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:41 PM
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Who, TTPaul? His car has a powerglide and a 12 bolt conversion. It's an awesome car but not stock suspended.
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Who, TTPaul? His car has a powerglide and a 12 bolt conversion. It's an awesome car but not stock suspended.

It’s not that far from a street car, that’s what it took to get it in the 8's.
You will find that there is no vette rear that can handle 1000hp.
I bet if you hit 8's your vette will be very close to a race car tooooo.

But good luck, I will be rooting for you.

(John, If I have a 9" rear, does that make my SS not a street car?)
I think the car can almost still qualify as a street car except for the 2 speed powerglide.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:13 AM
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Not taking anything away from paul's corvette because it is seroiusly fast its far from a street vette IMO. Just because you can drive it in a straight line from point A to B doesn't make it a street car.

6 speeds to 2 speeds
Manual to Automatic
IRS to solid axle
Great all around to car to strictly track car.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
Not taking anything away from paul's corvette because it is seroiusly fast its far from a street vette IMO. Just because you can drive it in a straight line from point A to B doesn't make it a street car.

6 speeds to 2 speeds
Manual to Automatic
IRS to solid axle
Great all around to car to strictly track car.
Keep adding stipulations and you can be the fastest something...
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:48 PM
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Not really adding stipulations just not comparing it to a C5 that has had the rear suspension chopped and 4 gears removed. ****, anyone can throw money @ a car and go fast.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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Not really adding stipulations just not comparing it to a C5 that has had the rear suspension chopped and 4 gears removed. ****, anyone can throw money @ a car and go fast.

If your not highly skilled in the fabrication dept.. Throw your money this way..

http://www.turbotechnologyinc.com/co...er_systems.htm

If you have some skills and want to personalize or resize things a little... Like A2W in leu of A2A with the IC if you want.. Different turbos etc...
Just get the manifolds.... The best bet in a turbo manifold is available with that car... A cast manifold.. Go twin GT35R's or GT30s....


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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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I've got skills with the tig torch, u-bends and a bandsaw....I don't think they will sell the manifolds besides themselves and they don't have a port for a wastegate.
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
I've got skills with the tig torch, u-bends and a bandsaw....I don't think they will sell the manifolds besides themselves and they don't have a port for a wastegate.
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http://www.turbotechnologyinc.com/tu..._manifolds.htm

They sell them by themselves...

Also you can run a ext gate off a turbine housing..

Just remove the flapper on a internally gated turbine housing. Port it.. and put a ext wastgate on the outlet flange. Looks like the top picture but with a garret bolt pattern.. I have seen them on LS1's before.. Maybe someone has the pic I saw..


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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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Whats funny is I built those back in 97 before anyone was really making them on the market for the DSMs in the area. The difference IMO is the 16g and 20g have a well designed exhaust housing which makes that combo work where the T3 absolutely sucks. Maybe its just me.
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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The T3 will flow well provided you dont use the internal gate.. The flapper on a gate blocks alot of the flow due to the fact it sits more in the flow path than a external...

I have seen external adapters work well on garrets.

I run sort of a crossbreed.. PTE had their own turbine housings cast.. Its sort of a blend of both a garret and a mitsu design.. Still has a mitsu output pattern but the nozzel is shaped and AR that of a garret...
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
Not really adding stipulations just not comparing it to a C5 that has had the rear suspension chopped and 4 gears removed. ****, anyone can throw money @ a car and go fast.
If you plan on going 8's with a 6 speed and an IRS I hope you are prepared to throw a lot more money than Paul did to get his car in the 8's.
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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by flynbludream
If you plan on going 8's with a 6 speed and an IRS I hope you are prepared to throw a lot more money than Paul did to get his car in the 8's.
now, I wouldn't say that. like myself, Phil does his own work instead of standing back and writing checks like other people. you would be AMAZED how much cheaper it is when you do things yourself. I'm sure the bills from neverlift and cartek combined exceeded the original cost of paul's car. on the other hand, I only have a couple of grand out of pocket invested in my back half and th400 conversion after you subtract the money I got back out of the stock parts. including building my own turbo system, I have less than 10k out of pocket on my car. I'm sure the checkbook guys will spend at least 5x that amount. I wouldn't bet against Phil running 8's for much less money than tt Paul or minor spray. Phil has proven time and time again that he isn't afraid to roll his sleaves up and dive into any project on his own. granted, running 8's with a 346, 6spd and irs won't be easy or cheap. I wouldn't try it myself. but, if he wants too badly enough, Phil is the type of person who will do it because of his can do attitude.
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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 08:12 AM
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Is this setup going on your car or Sams? I'm sure it will be a runner. I need to stop by your place to see what's going on.

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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 10:34 AM
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Bruce,
I want to build a kit that I can produce for the C5 market. I have a problem with almost all of the turbo kits on the market. So instead of spending 10k on something I am not 100% happy with, spend less than 1/2 and make the ultimate kit. Its probably going to go on my car but Sam has been very interested in the idea so you never know. Hey you want those springs?
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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by flynbludream
If you plan on going 8's with a 6 speed and an IRS I hope you are prepared to throw a lot more money than Paul did to get his car in the 8's.
You can't really compare the two of us, we're different animals. I'm hardcore and build all of my own stuff/setups, can drive the ***** out of a 6 speed and not afraid of new ideas. LPE has proven that you can go low 9s and high 8s with the right setup granted their cars have 427s their builds are not hardcore like mine.
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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
You can't really compare the two of us, we're different animals. I'm hardcore and build all of my own stuff/setups, can drive the ***** out of a 6 speed and not afraid of new ideas. LPE has proven that you can go low 9s and high 8s with the right setup granted their cars have 427s their builds are not hardcore like mine.
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Its probably a good idea to install this..
G-Force T-56 upgrade kit
http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-56.asp
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Old Dec 17, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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Phil - you are a wild and crazy man......but I like it! Build us a quick and easy turbo kit for the C5. The C5 market is begging for it!
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No need to keep referencing Paul, please stop.

So what turbos you going with Phil?

To me a street car is a car that is not gutted that still has heat and and a/c.
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Originally Posted by sr71
I'm sure the bills from neverlift and cartek combined exceeded the original cost of paul's car. on the other hand, I only have a couple of grand out of pocket invested in my back half and th400 conversion after you subtract the money I got back out of the stock parts. including building my own turbo system, I have less than 10k out of pocket on my car. I'm sure the checkbook guys will spend at least 5x that amount. I wouldn't bet against Phil running 8's for much less money than tt Paul or minor spray.
Sounds like money well spent at carcraft/neverlift. He's gone almost a second and a half faster than either of you guys (over and over again) and he's deadly consistent with it.
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