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How far can you get with 16k?
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How far can you get with 16k? If you already own a high miles T/A (98+) w/ T56, how much power / what E.T's could you expect after 16k worth of work, assuming majority of labor is done yourself except for machine shop, and also no custom fabrication.
I was thinking built engine with supercharger but could you run a nice turbo setup with that?
16k needs to include all necessary drivetrain components, engine, and any FI kit. Remaining 6spd is important to me. Thanks.
I was thinking built engine with supercharger but could you run a nice turbo setup with that?
16k needs to include all necessary drivetrain components, engine, and any FI kit. Remaining 6spd is important to me. Thanks.
oohh yuck.... you're going to be sad once you see how far 16k will get you.
i would take it slow and just work your way from the bottom up... atleast it will make you feel like you didnt spend it all that quick...
id start like this
bolt ons
rear end
Torque arm, SFCs, LCAs
cam
built tranny
new long block
then your choice of FI
then your fueling needs based on your FI needs
i would take it slow and just work your way from the bottom up... atleast it will make you feel like you didnt spend it all that quick...
id start like this
bolt ons
rear end
Torque arm, SFCs, LCAs
cam
built tranny
new long block
then your choice of FI
then your fueling needs based on your FI needs
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I'm coming from a BPU+ supra, that is 420rwhp with matching TQ and low 12's.
I want this T/A to make up for what it lacks in handling dept in straight line performance, both from a dig and higher speed roll ons.
I'd probably do this buildup relatively quickly, perhaps over 3 months if possible.
What kind of # do people see on the STS kit? Let me look it up!
I want this T/A to make up for what it lacks in handling dept in straight line performance, both from a dig and higher speed roll ons.
I'd probably do this buildup relatively quickly, perhaps over 3 months if possible.
What kind of # do people see on the STS kit? Let me look it up!
Figure out what you want before you start buying stuff. I have to completely disagree with ty_ty13 if your going turbo. Bolt ons would be a complete waste of money since a turbo uses its own headers and I/Y pipe anyway.
Write out what you want, I'd say splurge on a rear end and suspension first because no matter how you go fast those parts are universal. Then figure out if you want a turbo or supercharger.
Write out what you want, I'd say splurge on a rear end and suspension first because no matter how you go fast those parts are universal. Then figure out if you want a turbo or supercharger.
Originally Posted by Joe89
I'm coming from a BPU+ supra, that is 420rwhp with matching TQ and low 12's.
I want this T/A to make up for what it lacks in handling dept,.
I want this T/A to make up for what it lacks in handling dept,.
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Originally Posted by 00TurboT/A
Add some intrax lowering springs and some hal's and that thing will handle just as good as the supra.
I see this project starting 2 or 3 months from now but I'd like to figure out exactly what I'm planning on doing sooner than later.
I really don't care if its supercharged or turbocharged, I don't have preference one way or the other, just whatever gets me more bang for the buck power-wise.
I just want to know with a 16k budget what kind of horsepower and tq. I'd be seeing and what those numbers translate to in an F-body with a build T56. as far as 1/4 times.
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no custom fabrication+bang for buck=NOS
if your not going to keep the car just spray 6.0 junkard motors
16K would buy several of them
if you plan on building a "keeper"
build a warhawk setup and upgrade driveline as it breaks
the right combination would allow you to use power adders later
if your not going to keep the car just spray 6.0 junkard motors
16K would buy several of them
if you plan on building a "keeper"
build a warhawk setup and upgrade driveline as it breaks
the right combination would allow you to use power adders later
Originally Posted by Joe89
What kind of # do people see on the STS kit? Let me look it up!
i think with 16k you can go power, or ET, but it would be tuff for both.
low c/r turbo motor...ls1,ls2,6.0...run anywhere from 5-10+k depending how far you want to go
off the shelf turbo to custom setup 4-8+k
g force t56 $
Fuel system$
installation
tuning$
with a new rear, and supporting drivetrain/suspension mods, cage etc
I dont know if you could do it for 16k.
how much power do you want to make, are you staying with 346 cubes?
low c/r turbo motor...ls1,ls2,6.0...run anywhere from 5-10+k depending how far you want to go
off the shelf turbo to custom setup 4-8+k
g force t56 $
Fuel system$
installation
tuning$
with a new rear, and supporting drivetrain/suspension mods, cage etc
I dont know if you could do it for 16k.
how much power do you want to make, are you staying with 346 cubes?
go with a... rear end-2k
forged motor with valvetraina dn heads- 6k ish
brand turbo kit-6k with nice sized turbo
****, thats already 14k...... hmmm fuel system, 1k
hope your tranny lives but that should set you with a good rear end, 700 ish rwhp, fuel to back it up, hope the trans lives, maybe spend that last 1k on a clutch and tires and then save for a built trans
forged motor with valvetraina dn heads- 6k ish
brand turbo kit-6k with nice sized turbo
****, thats already 14k...... hmmm fuel system, 1k
hope your tranny lives but that should set you with a good rear end, 700 ish rwhp, fuel to back it up, hope the trans lives, maybe spend that last 1k on a clutch and tires and then save for a built trans
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$5K SDCE 8 rib D-1SC or F1 if you really want to do it right for an extra $300-500
$1K fuel system with 60lbs injectors
$1500 suspension and subframes
$2500 rear end
$300 DS
$900 clutch with steel flywheel
$3800 9.1 C/R 370 forged shortblock
$200 head studs
$200-400 just in case for small things you might forgot.
That is $15400-16300 for you and 700-750rwhp maxing out the D-1SC or 800-850rwhp maxing out the F1.
Good luck
$1K fuel system with 60lbs injectors
$1500 suspension and subframes
$2500 rear end
$300 DS
$900 clutch with steel flywheel
$3800 9.1 C/R 370 forged shortblock
$200 head studs
$200-400 just in case for small things you might forgot.
That is $15400-16300 for you and 700-750rwhp maxing out the D-1SC or 800-850rwhp maxing out the F1.
Good luck
Originally Posted by deviate42
power you forget
intake manifold, headers, heads, cam, valvetrain, tuning etc
intake manifold, headers, heads, cam, valvetrain, tuning etc
I assumed he had Headers and exhaust. He will need a cam and supporting mods for 600 or so which is covered under the missing parts. Intake manifold and heads are not a must with FI and will give him maybe another 30-40rwhp when he maxes his setup. Thats still close to $16000. If he is really on budget then start looking for used headers, exhaust and some sort of EFI flashscan or HPtuner. I have seen a F1 procharger setup for sale for 4K complete. Thats $1500 savings right there. Im sure he can do the list up there really easy for 16000 if he know where to look.
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Originally Posted by LSs1Power
$5K SDCE 8 rib D-1SC or F1 if you really want to do it right for an extra $300-500
$1K fuel system with 60lbs injectors
$1500 suspension and subframes
$2500 rear end
$300 DS
$900 clutch with steel flywheel
$3800 9.1 C/R 370 forged shortblock
$200 head studs
$200-400 just in case for small things you might forgot.
That is $15400-16300 for you and 700-750rwhp maxing out the D-1SC or 800-850rwhp maxing out the F1.
Good luck
$1K fuel system with 60lbs injectors
$1500 suspension and subframes
$2500 rear end
$300 DS
$900 clutch with steel flywheel
$3800 9.1 C/R 370 forged shortblock
$200 head studs
$200-400 just in case for small things you might forgot.
That is $15400-16300 for you and 700-750rwhp maxing out the D-1SC or 800-850rwhp maxing out the F1.
Good luck
With a 60' of say 1.6 what you think my times will be ?
Originally Posted by Joe89
Thanks very much...
With a 60' of say 1.6 what you think my times will be ?
With a 60' of say 1.6 what you think my times will be ?
If you drop an auto in you should be in the 9's at the same mph.
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I'd honestly throw the 16k at the Supra, you'd be better off. Handles better, has a stout longblock, and is overall a tighter feeling car built with better quality.
Keep the t/a as the daily, it'll get high 20's mpg, and keep the supra as the 1000hp weekend runner.
Keep the t/a as the daily, it'll get high 20's mpg, and keep the supra as the 1000hp weekend runner.
You certainly have a lot of options. I would consider either an LS2 402 (possibly with a little shot of juice) or a one off turbo setup. Either should get you in the 9's with a forged motor and decent driveline setup.
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