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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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We are going to try a mashrom HKS on the blower it self. We should have the results from the dyno soon. The test is going to show stock inlet hat with filter, HKS filter and no hat at all. I know we picked up 80rwhp 130rwtq and 2psi just from removing the hat and stock filter.
You don't think it'll be a problem with it being sucked into the compressor? Thats increadible how much they pick up without any restrictions...I'm trying to find the best possible way to run my "small" filter without any major restrictions but it's not looking good.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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You don't think it'll be a problem with it being sucked into the compressor? Thats increadible how much they pick up without any restrictions...I'm trying to find the best possible way to run my "small" filter without any major restrictions but it's not looking good.

We did it on the dyno in a clean enviornment. I would never do that on the streets. If the green HKS mashrom picks up half of what the no filter setup picked im a happy camper. HKS is coming out with a new yellow one that works even better.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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I'm running the F1. Is that the ATI inlet hat and filter they provide or something all together diff? I had read that you picked up some boost but no ET and that seemed a little strange...your right not alot of room to work here AT ALL!! Thanks for the info...
Its just the stock inlet with a huge filter stuck on it. plus the extra little filter,

1/4 mile gains are average power gains, not peak usually. Up to 6400rpm the inlet on or off didnt make that much difference, after that the boost climbs quicker without it. The car doesnt spend a whole lot of time above 6500 but with the new cam I have in it it does so it may make a bigger difference. Most tracks I go to have a lot of gravel so I dont like to pull the inlet off, I'll have to make a screen one of these days.

I would be real carefull what I put in front of that blower, if that cobra thing is hard plastic it would probably be OK but if its rubberish forget it.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kp

I would be real carefull what I put in front of that blower, if that cobra thing is hard plastic it would probably be OK but if its rubberish forget it.
This is good advice! We sucked shut a 4" 5ply silicon elbow on the blower inlet. Soon after we replaced it with a aluminum 90deg and it worked out fine.

The ATI blower hat is hogging quite a bit of power. I would ditch it for a 90deg aluminum bend to a huge filter like that. We gained i belive 2psi of boost and about 40rwhp.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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ATI's inlet hat is junk for anything over 10lbs of boost.We just move the radiator forward 4-5" and use a 3.5" 90. We've seen as high as 100rwhp gains on high boost street cars.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
ATI's inlet hat is junk for anything over 10lbs of boost.
wow, you are going to have to tell my car that
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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EDIT: Nevermind my Q was already answered but i missed it...
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG BAD BLACKSS
Whats that elbow off of an SUV or something? Also was the hole on top there and you decided to just throw a breather on there or??
Thats the stock ATI inlet hat, the big hole was for the original bypass to curculate back into the inlet. Just put a breather on there since its a big hole and every little bit helps. It certainly isnt the best thing in the world but I have seen over 15psi with it on there so I dunno.. I pick up like 30rwhp peak when I take it off on the dyno but I'm not spinning the D1 up that much as some people do..
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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Thanks for the info KP! I'm so limited with space (still have condensor/3 core radiator/dual Spal fans and aluminum fan shroud) which the lower section of this assembly has been kicked forward a few inches already, so I'm gonna see how the Cobra hat works out, if at all, then figure out what else I may have to do without loosing too much flow...this SUCKS!
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kp
Thats the stock ATI inlet hat, the big hole was for the original bypass to curculate back into the inlet. Just put a breather on there since its a big hole and every little bit helps. It certainly isnt the best thing in the world but I have seen over 15psi with it on there so I dunno.. I pick up like 30rwhp peak when I take it off on the dyno but I'm not spinning the D1 up that much as some people do..
Well with your ET's it cant be too bad!
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG BAD BLACKSS
Well with your ET's it cant be too bad!
It has slightly more then 10psi, I can assure you of that
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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can someone post up some pics of the tilted radiator and the aluminum 90 set up???
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 11:47 AM
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I would be concerned that the "dryer duct" will collapse under boost. I suggest having some tubing fabricated for the inlet. Oh... my 2 cents... that filter is overkill and looks like it will hinder airflow to the intercooler.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kp
wow, you are going to have to tell my car that
Pull it off and throw it in the trash,then let me know how your car likes it You must know how much hp gain you get with the hat off
You'll probly be near the 8's
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Pull it off and throw it in the trash,then let me know how your car likes it You must know how much hp gain you get with the hat off
You'll probly be near the 8's
Negative, picked up virtually nothing except one mph in the 1/4. I have tried it several times, on the dyno it picked up a bunch but at the track its hardly worth it. I wont argue that it helps on the dyno but at the track it just doesnt help me much.

Could be several reasons why it doesnt pick up that much, most likely the average power gain for the rpm range I am running in, 6000-7000, just isnt that much, other is the heat from the radiator with it off. I did try a 90 degree elbow with no filter and it was about the same as the ATI hat so I ended my experiments there. I need an F1 or a 75 shot to get in the 8s I figure
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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Hopefully what you did now will work Dennis. I want to wrap you car and tiago's tunes up.

Originally Posted by DJ's99SS
You don't think it'll be a problem with it being sucked into the compressor? Thats increadible how much they pick up without any restrictions...I'm trying to find the best possible way to run my "small" filter without any major restrictions but it's not looking good.
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's99SS
Can all the "space challenged" ProCharger guys post up (pics would be great) what they are using for the inlet of compressor side of the blower for their plumbing to your air filter...
Here you go. Wire reinforced 4" hose. And no it doesn't collapse.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 02:32 AM
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How much boost are you running through this hose? Where do you get this hose? Because or the "ribbed" contruction, is it effecient?
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyborg
Here you go. Wire reinforced 4" hose. And no it doesn't collapse.
Thats what I'm (sort of) currently using...had the exact set up with a cloth based material/large reinforced wire hose that worked as I wanted it too (did not collapse) but the material was too old and started to rip in a couple of places in the sharp bend. This looks to be a rubber based material and is exactly what I'm looking for and then hanging a quality 8-10" round cylinder universal filter in the fender well...

Could you please pm me or post up some info who carries this...THANKS!!
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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pulling air thru bends and extended lengths is quite different than pushing air thru them...correct?

I looked at using the K&N RX-4140 w/ XSTREAM top and then running duct hose to the XSTREAM top end of the filter...
you would have air intake short range to the head unit and cooler air being ducted in thru the XSTREAM top filtered end...

vs. having to pull all of the air thru a filter then an extended length of hose or tubing w/ bends before reaching the head unit...

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