Installed Ling. MAF and 60lb injectors
Installed Ling. MAF and 60lb injectors Put the new Ling. 100mm MAF and motron 60lb injectors. Car made 612whp and I think 592wtq @ 9.5-10lbs. That is with 20 degrees of timing from 5500-6200. My only problem is this MAF is also pegged now. One the phone with Ling they told me they had a car in there shop right then that was making 650whp no problem with this MAF. I figured I would be able to make at least 650whp before it was even close to pegging. Thanks again to Eric and Brian at Dyno Tune Motorsports. Eric played a little with the timing curve from last time and the car drives amazing makes boost faster and pulls really smooth.Highly recommend them to anyone in Ohio.
besides the fact that it is less restrictive than the stock one I think it is at this point. Anyone heard of scaling engine displacement down and injector tables as well. A tuner I know uses SCT on mustangs does this to get more out of the meter?
anyone that thought a 'special maf' would allow an otherwise stock configured computer to make more horsepower.. was wrong.
the computer is the limiting factor, stops allowing larger maf input freq at 12khz.. that is it.
you will have to tune for yourself after that or like you are thinking above, reconfigure the computer to get the airflow into a lower range.. cheat the system.. something i never did. i bailed out and went aftermarket.
there are a lot of things that lingenfelter sales doesn't know, and or won't tell.
the computer is the limiting factor, stops allowing larger maf input freq at 12khz.. that is it.
you will have to tune for yourself after that or like you are thinking above, reconfigure the computer to get the airflow into a lower range.. cheat the system.. something i never did. i bailed out and went aftermarket.
there are a lot of things that lingenfelter sales doesn't know, and or won't tell.
Originally Posted by BLWNZ
besides the fact that it is less restrictive than the stock one I think it is at this point. Anyone heard of scaling engine displacement down and injector tables as well. A tuner I know uses SCT on mustangs does this to get more out of the meter?
To do it on a ford car, you simiply multiply the injector slopes, engine displacement, and maf transfer functon by X percentage. (and a couple of other parameters)
Are you maxing the maf by frequency or the 512 g/second limitation?
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you guys are pretty funny with this magic maf ****. I wasnt thinking it was a solve all deal. I was just looking for a little more room. As for the 3 bar setup I think that is not the solution. I think with weather changes the car would need tuned a lot. And that is not what I want. Also it wasnt a waste of money as I stated before but keep hating its cool.also yeah I am maxing out the 512 g/ps
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Originally Posted by smokinHawk
yes you wasted money on the maf, should have just gotton a 3bar setup
Sorry to here it didn't work out for ya. Did you guys retune the whole VE table before you tuned the WOT? What were your Ltrims during your cruising cells and at WOT?
Like I told Brian when he called me about your car the other day, do a 2bar OS and call it a day, sure weather will affect it some, but just tune it conservitive and you'll be fine.
Like I told Brian when he called me about your car the other day, do a 2bar OS and call it a day, sure weather will affect it some, but just tune it conservitive and you'll be fine.
Originally Posted by Billiumss
Sorry to here it didn't work out for ya. Did you guys retune the whole VE table before you tuned the WOT? What were your Ltrims during your cruising cells and at WOT?
Like I told Brian when he called me about your car the other day, do a 2bar OS and call it a day, sure weather will affect it some, but just tune it conservitive and you'll be fine.
Like I told Brian when he called me about your car the other day, do a 2bar OS and call it a day, sure weather will affect it some, but just tune it conservitive and you'll be fine.
Originally Posted by tt427ls1
What RPM does the MAF fail at...4300? When the maf fails did you try and tune it with the VE tables?
Originally Posted by onfire
My maf maxes (or fails) at 3500rpm.....then it's rpm vs PE for the tune.
When you SD tune, by disconnecting the MAF aren't you running solely on the VE table? Which still leaves you with the '100' VE table limitations.....at least I don't see any changes at any number over 100. So you can't fine tune at hi flow. All you have is the PE multiplier?
And then after you plug the MAF back in you run into the 512g MAF limit. Mine maxes out around 5k.
Originally Posted by RedHardSupra
Louis, what's the magic part? are you scaling frequency or is it just a bigger housing and hope people dont understand that the limit is not in the MAF but in the PCM itself?
Yes the PCM is limited, but its 4" in Diameter. The Measured Hz went down by a significant amount, thus raising the roof, however not totally removing the handicap of the MAF.
Originally Posted by WAHUSKER
This is the part that confuses me. Does not HP Tuner say the VE table is for when there is a MAF failure. Meaning when you max the MAF out, or it fails, the PCM uses that table to scale the a/f? And then it uses PE as a multiplier when you go WOT?
When you SD tune, by disconnecting the MAF aren't you running solely on the VE table? Which still leaves you with the '100' VE table limitations.....at least I don't see any changes at any number over 100. So you can't fine tune at hi flow. All you have is the PE multiplier?
And then after you plug the MAF back in you run into the 512g MAF limit. Mine maxes out around 5k.
When you SD tune, by disconnecting the MAF aren't you running solely on the VE table? Which still leaves you with the '100' VE table limitations.....at least I don't see any changes at any number over 100. So you can't fine tune at hi flow. All you have is the PE multiplier?
And then after you plug the MAF back in you run into the 512g MAF limit. Mine maxes out around 5k.
The Stalk Insert Element in the LPE maf can be scaled to report the 512g/s at a different point on the hertz scale.
If a maf truly "fails" (burns out,etc) the VE tables will be used in the lower rpm areas,etc.
There is no fine tuning above 512g/s....just RPM vs PE....and it better be conservative or pop goes the weasel.