GT500 w/ Kenne Bell - 810rwhp/745rwtq
11-18-2006, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Coupes are $43K MSRP. Pretty reasonable IMO given today's market.
11-18-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by smoke20
i wouldnt call a KB swap a simple bolt on. yes they made good power but i will say this again it is a purpose built motor for induction, when GM puts out the induction motor based LSX you will see ford will be behind again. GM makes the same power stock for stock NA or better than the fords, see the Z06 505 hp vs 500 hp GT500 , what would you expect that eng to produce if you put boost on it???? 
11-18-2006, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by smoke20
if you read the quote earlier you would see this started when i said ford builds smaller ci motors then adds boost to compete with GM. Ford doesnt build a 427 the 5.4 is their largest stock block that is made period. if you add a power adder like a blower to the Z06 it will blow the doors off the ford 5.4. thats simple math. Ford decided back in the 2000 year area to go forced induction to get power, the went smaller eng , and stayed on par with that combo. if you look at the dyno graph of the c5 with the KB you can see it makes alot more earlier by almost 200 tq than the GT500. it is impressive that the gt500 makes that kind of power with a KB and stock fuel, but i still like my BOWTIES.
11-18-2006, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 99Hawk262
Obviously the LS7 is a different animal. But 99% of the members on this site don't have an LS7. As far as the LS1, LS6 and LS2 guys go, it will take a whole hell of a lot to be in the same ballpark with a KB GT500. And if you want to bring the LS7 into this, it still falls short of the Ford GT stock for stock. I was simply stating that Ford certainly has some nice products that are much easier to mod and get ridiculous power out of than our Bowtie cars.
11-18-2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Please don't turn this into another stupid Ford vs. Chevy thing.
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11-18-2006, 01:18 PM
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Im not a Ford guy whats so ever but man the GT 500 is "Bad ***" and I have to say give credit where credit is due. Im sure later on the vette is going to come out with a SC but at what price. You all have to admit that the GT 500 bang for the buck is there.
11-18-2006, 02:08 PM
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In the end, it's about true peformance and not dyno numbers.
Unfortunately,
the GT500 is a fat cow at 4000lbs so it NEEDS the extra power to even keep up with the C6 Z51 which is at the same price point.
Personally,
I would rather have the lighter naturally aspirated car with equal/better performance.
After considering all the tests and data that has been released on the GT500,
I still think you are better off adding FI to a built C5 or stock C6 for the money.
Remember guys,
the "breaking point" of the GT500's drivetrain has not been determined yet.
What good is 800+RWHP if the GT500 drivetrain ends up failing around the 600rwhp mark?
Time will tell.
Unfortunately,
the GT500 is a fat cow at 4000lbs so it NEEDS the extra power to even keep up with the C6 Z51 which is at the same price point.
Personally,
I would rather have the lighter naturally aspirated car with equal/better performance.
After considering all the tests and data that has been released on the GT500,
I still think you are better off adding FI to a built C5 or stock C6 for the money.
Remember guys,
the "breaking point" of the GT500's drivetrain has not been determined yet.
What good is 800+RWHP if the GT500 drivetrain ends up failing around the 600rwhp mark?
Time will tell.
11-18-2006, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert56@NitrousDirect
here's one for a C5 that made 850rwtq and 801rwhp, or over 1000 each at the flywheel.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1468770
Robert
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1468770
Robert
This pic kinda makes me want to go FI in the future. 
11-18-2006, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TT C6
Remember guys,
the "breaking point" of the GT500's drivetrain has not been determined yet.
What good is 800+RWHP if the GT500 drivetrain ends up failing around the 600rwhp mark?
Time will tell.
the "breaking point" of the GT500's drivetrain has not been determined yet.
What good is 800+RWHP if the GT500 drivetrain ends up failing around the 600rwhp mark?
Time will tell.
11-18-2006, 06:03 PM
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FWIW I went to check out a local ZO6 . Saleslady said its msrp was 80ksomthing but they let me drivit home for 110K . I said well I only have 80K they said come back with the rest and its mine 
11-18-2006, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Please don't turn this into another stupid Ford vs. Chevy thing.
that is damn impressive.
11-18-2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
no kidding. stop being immature guys and give credit where credit is due. That thing will need to be minitubbed with huge sticky meats.
that is damn impressive.
that is damn impressive.
11-18-2006, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cws T/A
FWIW I went to check out a local ZO6 . Saleslady said its msrp was 80ksomthing but they let me drivit home for 110K . I said well I only have 80K they said come back with the rest and its mine
11-18-2006, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DanZ28
Take a look at some of the corvette forums, the dealers post there all the time. I know one of them had a new Z06 for MSRP. The base MSRP is $64,890 BTW.
Besides my '04 LS2 403 will walk a new Z06 and i only have 11k in the motor alone. I couldnt imagine bolting on a KB unit to my 403. Head swap for larger chambers to lower compression and i think im in the 700-800 whp range.
if you want fast you can build it. i agree with someone else, buy a 97-98 C5(16k-18k) build the motor, go cheap with lots of cubes 414ci iron block, 317 6.0L heads, carb style intake with a elbow, tranny, rear end, add a fuel system, add a KB 2.8 unit or a single turbo T88 race set up from FFHP and your kicking a GT500's *** for less than half the cost. I think its also preference as well. I do and dont like the look of the GT500. Looks like a regular GT with a body kit that anyone can order out of a magazine. I just cant imagine paying 55k+ for a GT500 or anything that ford makes for that price. Including the *** raping that the GT owners got and the GT from the testing that i have seen doesnt out perform the C6 Z06 even if someone gets raped and pays 100k for one.
11-19-2006, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
do it man. n/a suck! 
OR i might just buy a F-body for 6k and do it nasty. IMO, F-body's are the real drag cars in the LS1 family.