900RWHP on pump gas?
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Originally Posted by deuce_454
check out www.nelsonracingengines.com he sells twin turbo 427 SBC´s that make 1000 Hp on 93 octane, and 1500 on 108.. just grab your wallet! schwartz extreme performance sells 1200Hp twin turbo LS7 engines that run on 93 octane, so the answer is... its possible but not cheap
And yes, it's not cheap. BUT its a whole lot less than other shops for way way way more power. His 16 injector set-up allows pump gas for daily driving to around 1,000 hp and when you run it hard, automatically the other 8 injectors start spraying race gas to 2,300 hp, on-the-fly from a stand alone tank. Talk about the best of both worlds 
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Originally Posted by Quickin
He also has a new 454ci TT sbc that he just got done testing to death, over 120 dyno pulls. Makes 2,300 FWHP. Daily driver idles at like 950 rpm. He ordered a batch of GM LSX iron blocks and will be building 2,300 fwhp LSX's. I know someone who's gettin one And yes, it's not cheap. BUT its a whole lot less than other shops for way way way more power. His 16 injector set-up allows pump gas for daily driving to around 1,000 hp and when you run it hard, automatically the other 8 injectors start spraying race gas to 2,300 hp, on-the-fly from a stand alone tank. Talk about the best of both worlds .
And yes, it's not cheap. BUT its a whole lot less than other shops for way way way more power. His 16 injector set-up allows pump gas for daily driving to around 1,000 hp and when you run it hard, automatically the other 8 injectors start spraying race gas to 2,300 hp, on-the-fly from a stand alone tank. Talk about the best of both worlds . TECH Veteran
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Originally Posted by mahhddgtp
Yeah, staged injection. Nothing new, but it's not cheap.
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Originally Posted by Quickin
$52,000, complete engine, turbos, custom intercooler, all custom fabbing for any car, installation and tuning. Not bad considering other shops can't even dream of making that kind of power "with reliability" but charge double for set-ups with 800-1,000 less hp..
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Originally Posted by mahhddgtp
Now start tacking on the other costs.
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^ The SBC can do it of course... I won't be skeptical, but I would be very excited to see them do this with the LSX... I mean, so many other production motors can do this (2JZ, VQ, etc.)... Why can't we?
I take it this won't be on pump gas? *runs away*
I take it this won't be on pump gas? *runs away*
If I went for max 93 pump gas numbers, no meth, I'd do a 4.030 x 4.000 LSx; 8:1 compression; simple air to water. I think 700-750rwhp with a good power curve could be had. I'm sure someone could hit 800-900rwhp on the dyno a few times but I doubt that combo would survive a lot of passes at the track... stuff on the edge does not last.
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8.0:1 would make for an extremely safe CR for pump gas. You could run a LOT of boost without too much worries, and have plenty of potential to make power.
Im on 8.7:1 and can easily hit 19psi at 7000rpm on pump gas only. ( circa 16psi at 6000rpm )
Im on 8.7:1 and can easily hit 19psi at 7000rpm on pump gas only. ( circa 16psi at 6000rpm )
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schwartz sells turn key TT ls7 (takled to him.. he sold 8!! in the last two months, and they put out 1200Hp on 91 octane and come with a warranty! the cost is somthing like 36000. FOB
a board member in Lateral-g "nitrorocket" (he is in this months issue of PHR) built his TT-LS1 for 12000, and he is making 850+ rwhp with a th400 tranny on 91 octane, and drives it daily
a board member in Lateral-g "nitrorocket" (he is in this months issue of PHR) built his TT-LS1 for 12000, and he is making 850+ rwhp with a th400 tranny on 91 octane, and drives it daily
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Originally Posted by chuntington101
Quickin, is he really hitting 2300bhp now??? last i heard the 454TT with 16 injectors where going for about 1850bhp!
must admit when you look at these guys work you would put your trust in them.
Chris.
must admit when you look at these guys work you would put your trust in them.
Chris.
He said he'll get the same exact power (2,300) from the 454ci LSX GM iron block with better reliability and longevity.
406ci TT teardown video:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...d406tthigh.wmv
This is always chilling and he can put this in ANY car:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...UTCHINHIGH.wmv
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Last edited by Quickin; Feb 27, 2007 at 03:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tiago
2000+ FWHP LSX? I will have to see to believe. weld the heads down to the block? 
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Originally Posted by Quickin
Yup, 2,300 fwhp, 454ci TT sbc. He did over 120 dyno runs and filmed the tear down, all internal parts looked like they were never used. He has a video on his site of his 1,500 fwhp 406ci TT he built for Hot Rod mag, it also shows a video of his teardown after 130 dyno pulls and alot of regular use, internal parts look like they were never touched.
He said he'll get the same exact power (2,300) from the 454ci LSX GM iron block with better reliability and longevity.
406ci TT teardown video:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...d406tthigh.wmv
This is always chilling and he can put this in ANY car:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...UTCHINHIGH.wmv
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He said he'll get the same exact power (2,300) from the 454ci LSX GM iron block with better reliability and longevity.
406ci TT teardown video:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...d406tthigh.wmv
This is always chilling and he can put this in ANY car:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...UTCHINHIGH.wmv
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have you seen his 1600bhp Ultima GTR build? its on the site.
he does amazing work.
deuce_454 schwartz's work is very nice to!
thanks Chris.
