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That is exactly what I thought in both accounts. I want 500rwhp no more........ thought I'd never say that! Nice street manners but can put your money where your mouth is when you have too or just want to. Simply go back to stock in a hurray, it would be the most trouble some S/C kit you could get in my eyes, especially at 5psi. Best of both worlds and not braking your car and your bank account all the time, or as much I should say
You can only have two of these three things:
Cheap, Reliable, Fast - Your choice, so pick two.
I can't take credit for that statement, but I remember it from a post I read on the forums a while back. It is a fact of life for us hot rodders.
I was trying for the reliable, fast way of doing things and I still have a car that needs a motor sitting in the garage since last October...
Cheap, Reliable, Fast - Your choice, so pick two.
I can't take credit for that statement, but I remember it from a post I read on the forums a while back. It is a fact of life for us hot rodders.
I was trying for the reliable, fast way of doing things and I still have a car that needs a motor sitting in the garage since last October...
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Originally Posted by enginjoe
You can only have two of these three things:
Cheap, Reliable, Fast - Your choice, so pick two.
I can't take credit for that statement, but I remember it from a post I read on the forums a while back. It is a fact of life for us hot rodders.
I was trying for the reliable, fast way of doing things and I still have a car that needs a motor sitting in the garage since last October...
Cheap, Reliable, Fast - Your choice, so pick two.
I can't take credit for that statement, but I remember it from a post I read on the forums a while back. It is a fact of life for us hot rodders.
I was trying for the reliable, fast way of doing things and I still have a car that needs a motor sitting in the garage since last October...
Originally Posted by Websy21
I'm with your Pred on a P-SC1, I know that I will never go over 7psi, I was actually thinking what would be best for me is get a blower cam and run the 5psi pulley. If I wanted more later I could go with the #7, but I don't want all the related expenses or breaking stuff with high boost. I know its possible at any level but alot less likely on 5psi. It would still be a fun, but yet more reeliable DD! Don't have to worry about keying crank either though its probabily advisble still
Why not go with a nice heads/cam setup and full bolt ons??? Then you can always add a small shot of nitrous if you want a bit more kick in the ***. That route will be cheaper than a blower setup but will still be fun.
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No nitrous for this guy, not even a thought! As for the H/C, I have researched that to death and almost went that route. To do it right in my books to maximize potential, and while your 'in there' do this and that you have a pricy build. Not too mention time consuming and your messing with the motor. Might as well build a forged one while your at it for a couple more g's. My point is this is the easiest and best results, not the cheapest is, but what is, is a S/C. You can easliy take it all off and go back to stock if desired. If I never had exhasut yet I would probably do H/C, who here loves playing with exhaust gaskets? LOL If I did go H/C it would be PRC's 2.5 or TEA's 1.5's and X1 or Touquer 2 only, by the time you get FAST 90/90 fuel mods, misc its up there too! Horsepower is cheap, wait a minute what did I say??????????
Originally Posted by Websy21
No nitrous for this guy, not even a thought! As for the H/C, I have researched that to death and almost went that route.
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It was just a thought. Procharger for the win!
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I wasn't bashing the sauce either, I just don't see the point on a stock block. Either way you look at it, its gonna blow some time. I have seen it as many on here have too I would imagine. For the street I don't think its feasible unless you have a built motor, which defeats the purpose to me. Who is gonna burn around all day on NOS? I like having the power all of the time when I want it. To me unless you are a frequent dragster I won't do it. It is by far the most bang for the buck, no questions asked. For built vehicles on the track you can add alot of power and run some very quick times with a push of a button. Even on ricer's!!! So it must work, I can say that becasue I have a 95 GSX Eclispe and ya no Juice. Only a big turbo and FMIC, but anyways NOS=great power=great ET's=great maybe new built motor, maybe not???????
turbo ???. they LOVE heat, but procharger is a "all there" kit.
500rwhp can be done with the STS
...... i still more left in mine. like 1.5psi, good for another 30-35rwhp 
that would land me in the 530 range on my STS kit
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Just finished going through all of this amonst myself, a turbo kit is way more complex unless you go STS. In which I think I have ruled out for myself. A decent turbo kit will end up running you higher than a S/C done right, and to me depending on set up has more potential. Or ease of potential I should say and I'm not trying to aid in significant gains here. Low moderate good power with the least amount of issues. Probably would be H/C but I have already given my own $1.28 on that one, so P-1SC. Just bought a blower friendly cam today, so I guess that defintley makes up my mind. If I wasn't going boost I was going reverse touquer. Now have thoughts of getting another block and picking away at a forged iron horse??????
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Originally Posted by 99Z28LS1
turbo ???. they LOVE heat, but procharger is a "all there" kit.
500rwhp can be done with the STS ...... i still more left in mine. like 1.5psi, good for another 30-35rwhp that would land me in the 530 range on my STS kit
500rwhp can be done with the STS
...... i still more left in mine. like 1.5psi, good for another 30-35rwhp that would land me in the 530 range on my STS kit1- Environment, dust and fine sand everywhere and every day. So an outside filter like STS will not be fun
2- Long oil lines to and from turbo, leak prawn
3- Position of kit and road debris
4- catalitic debris will kill turbine
5- All this tubing in an already cramped space and it will not fit my Spohn trq arm.
6- Turbo can be stolen in a heartbeat and here units are soo expensive that it will not take long for any dumbass to see the prize just waiting to be taken.
Now for the Procharger ki, the only thing that worries me a little is the high IAT that we endure, so I hope a FMIC will help in that area. I'll add some heat wrapping where I can to keep that darn IAT as low as I can. Won't be pretty but I do not ride open hood anyways, this is go not sho.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
I was really looking at that but in my case the points aginst STS kit are enough to shy away.
1- Environment, dust and fine sand everywhere and every day. So an outside filter like STS will not be fun
2- Long oil lines to and from turbo, leak prawn
3- Position of kit and road debris
4- catalitic debris will kill turbine
5- All this tubing in an already cramped space and it will not fit my Spohn trq arm.
6- Turbo can be stolen in a heartbeat and here units are soo expensive that it will not take long for any dumbass to see the prize just waiting to be taken.
Now for the Procharger ki, the only thing that worries me a little is the high IAT that we endure, so I hope a FMIC will help in that area. I'll add some heat wrapping where I can to keep that darn IAT as low as I can. Won't be pretty but I do not ride open hood anyways, this is go not sho.
1- Environment, dust and fine sand everywhere and every day. So an outside filter like STS will not be fun
2- Long oil lines to and from turbo, leak prawn
3- Position of kit and road debris
4- catalitic debris will kill turbine
5- All this tubing in an already cramped space and it will not fit my Spohn trq arm.
6- Turbo can be stolen in a heartbeat and here units are soo expensive that it will not take long for any dumbass to see the prize just waiting to be taken.
Now for the Procharger ki, the only thing that worries me a little is the high IAT that we endure, so I hope a FMIC will help in that area. I'll add some heat wrapping where I can to keep that darn IAT as low as I can. Won't be pretty but I do not ride open hood anyways, this is go not sho.
I think you've made a wise choice in going with the blower. I've driven/worked on/owned both setups, and you can't go wrong with the ProCharger, expecially at stock-lower boost levels.
Everyone says things about belt slip, but if you're just wanting the stock 7-8 psi or less, you WILL NOT have a problem. It's only when you want to really turn it up is when you MIGHT see belt slip.
Someone else also said something about high IAT's with the ProCharger (stock twins). I'll tell you one thing, it's no higher than an STS car WITH a Front mount. I just drove an STS car today and just crusing the IAT's were right at 100*, with the ambient temp being ~75*. I had never seen that high of IAT's on my ProCharger car just cruising. Maybe 10* above ambient, but no more.
It's nothing more than a myth that the ProCharger intercoolers are inefficient. I have more proof of that, but I'm not going to get into that, expecially since it involves Mustangs!
Good luck and have fun!
Everyone says things about belt slip, but if you're just wanting the stock 7-8 psi or less, you WILL NOT have a problem. It's only when you want to really turn it up is when you MIGHT see belt slip.
Someone else also said something about high IAT's with the ProCharger (stock twins). I'll tell you one thing, it's no higher than an STS car WITH a Front mount. I just drove an STS car today and just crusing the IAT's were right at 100*, with the ambient temp being ~75*. I had never seen that high of IAT's on my ProCharger car just cruising. Maybe 10* above ambient, but no more.
It's nothing more than a myth that the ProCharger intercoolers are inefficient. I have more proof of that, but I'm not going to get into that, expecially since it involves Mustangs!
Good luck and have fun!
Originally Posted by 99Z28LS1
turbo ???. they LOVE heat, but procharger is a "all there" kit.
500rwhp can be done with the STS ...... i still more left in mine. like 1.5psi, good for another 30-35rwhp that would land me in the 530 range on my STS kit
500rwhp can be done with the STS
...... i still more left in mine. like 1.5psi, good for another 30-35rwhp that would land me in the 530 range on my STS kit
Procharger it is for. After reading that bit about the cats breaking apart.
I pondered this decision for about two years and finally made my decision recently. Now i just have to get the $$ to buy a kit. Used or otherwise.
Less isssues for me the better, i have always been partial to the blower anyways. My pop's is old school and i'm used to them and the Roots type.
I pondered this decision for about two years and finally made my decision recently. Now i just have to get the $$ to buy a kit. Used or otherwise.
Less isssues for me the better, i have always been partial to the blower anyways. My pop's is old school and i'm used to them and the Roots type.
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Yes, definelty got my heart set on a S/C. I might even get a used vortech kit, sale pending right now. It is even the poilshed kit! After countless hours of research, for myself, I decided that a turbo is not for me. Even though I have one on another car of mine and like it, lol