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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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And Hugger you haven't tracked it yet ..no problem but what is it like in daily driving. Lets have some impressions now of bottom end spool up, etc.etc...you must be driving it around now? I would be driving it 24/7.
Ha ha. Picked it up last night. It is INSANE!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!! Too dark for vids of any use. Might get some today. And planning to have it at Milan tomorrow.

The power is great. Pulls like crazy and puts a non-stop grin on my face in the process. Took a guy for a ride this morning and he actually said "That's enough"! Ha ha. And I only topped out 3rd gear. The car is very normal in normal traffic, but a complete beast when opened up. Power comes on smoothly and then hits like a freight train! And the sound of those turbo's when I am in boost is euphoric.

I have driven 500hp Vipers and they are all fine and dandy. They have a little more down low than my car. But the top end feels very similar. Except I have a nice turbine sound with mine!

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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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Excellent HuggerZ!
Thats why I love turbo cars if you don't go stupid on cams and stuff. You can have a mellow smooth idling car that sounds and drives like a stock one around town or on the highway and then you put it into boost and the car transforms from Bruce Banner to the Incredible Hulk in an instant. Its even more crazy in my dsm cars. My 97 talon which has like 150hp off boost has well over 500 engine on boost max 650 engine hp off spray.

Can you try to see about where you get full spool up in the various gears.And when the boost starts coming on?. Do you have a boost guage on there yet?

Also can you hear those recirced blow offs at all. Wondering how much louder they would be if guy vents them. Or upgrade them to louder types like those turbosmarts posted in threads.Stealthy is still kind of neat. But you said the turbos ARE pretty loud when spooling?

What about traction ,what tires are you running now? Imagine it should break them free pretty easily if you punch it from a roll at almost any speed.

Do you have a timer like g tech or just going to track it?

Its great to see one off board running and sure a few more will show up soon now. Its not looking very good for my car to be running this season. Put it away end of october anyway. So think best plan for me is do my new most likely 408 with planned 225 afr heads and just do big modfest next spring. If have rear end by then great, if not well just try to take it easy and not track it on anything better than my nittos. They don't work that great at local track anyway.And nice to know even on stock engine this system will put out decent power and sure pretty much enough for street use. At least for any sane person. Keep the shiny side up! And enjoy that boost! Addictive as hell isn't it and no bottles to go empty either! Never gets old to me.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Excellent HuggerZ!
Thats why I love turbo cars if you don't go stupid on cams and stuff. You can have a mellow smooth idling car that sounds and drives like a stock one around town or on the highway and then you put it into boost and the car transforms from Bruce Banner to the Incredible Hulk in an instant. Its even more crazy in my dsm cars. My 97 talon which has like 150hp off boost has well over 500 engine on boost max 650 engine hp off spray.

Can you try to see about where you get full spool up in the various gears.And when the boost starts coming on?. Do you have a boost guage on there yet?

Also can you hear those recirced blow offs at all. Wondering how much louder they would be if guy vents them. Or upgrade them to louder types like those turbosmarts posted in threads.Stealthy is still kind of neat. But you said the turbos ARE pretty loud when spooling?

What about traction ,what tires are you running now? Imagine it should break them free pretty easily if you punch it from a roll at almost any speed.

Do you have a timer like g tech or just going to track it?

Its great to see one off board running and sure a few more will show up soon now. Its not looking very good for my car to be running this season. Put it away end of october anyway. So think best plan for me is do my new most likely 408 with planned 225 afr heads and just do big modfest next spring. If have rear end by then great, if not well just try to take it easy and not track it on anything better than my nittos. They don't work that great at local track anyway.And nice to know even on stock engine this system will put out decent power and sure pretty much enough for street use. At least for any sane person. Keep the shiny side up! And enjoy that boost! Addictive as hell isn't it and no bottles to go empty either! Never gets old to me.
Thanks man! Yeah it is addictive. I kept just hitting boost for the hell of it last night. But that does cause the gas guage to go down faster. Ha ha. I start building boost around 2500rpm. Beyond that I have not idea where it kicks in. I am just watching the road and keeping the car pointed straight at that point! No boost gauge yet. That may end up being a winter project unless I come across some good deals on gauges. I have the triple pod already. So ready for them once I get some.

Yes you can hear the recirc BOV's. They do not sound very impressive but are there none the less. I will deal with it for now. Just happy to be driving the car. You can definitely hear the turbo's (probably more the wastegates) when you get into boost.

Tires are BFG KDW2's. Traction is non-existant in 1st. 2nd is not bad if I pedal it a little. 3rd is freaking insane. That is where the guy today yelled "that's enough!" Ha ha. I did a 4th pull on the highway last night and just walked away from traffic. But I think I was smiling wide enough to show my pearly whites to everyone as I passed.

My car club has a track rental tomorrow so I should be able to make a few passes to see what kind of times it runs. But I will probably be leaving soft so I don't hurt the stock 10 bolt so don't expect any record numbers. Probably have to find me a helmet too. Don't want to get kicked out for not having one.

Yeah this is more than enough power for the street. I am VERY happy with it at this point. And it is totally addictive! I love hearing that sound.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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OK everyone. Here are the videos. Unfortunately my camera microphone is not picking up much of the noise that I can hear from inside the car like the wastegates and BOV's. They are sort of there, but sound louder to me when I am in the car. Enjoy! And no laws were broken in the making of these films....

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I also snapped some pictures of the PCV valve that had to be added to my breather set-up. Without the PCV to meter the air it was causing lean idle issues and affecting normal driveability. My tuner found this and added the PCV to the APS set-up. Problem solved. Just wanted to pass this along in case anyone else runs into idle issues with their kits.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the one way valve included with the kit basically a PCV valve already?
Good to know anyway, hopefully mine will be running in a week or so.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:41 PM
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I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the one way valve included with the kit basically a PCV valve already?
Good to know anyway, hopefully mine will be running in a week or so.
According to my tuner the 1 way valve allowed too much air. It did not meter it like the stock PCV system is designed to do. He installed the PCV in there and the idle problem he ran across went away. Just wanted to mention it in case anyone else runs into issues when tuning.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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I like the videos and your car sounds great in the flybys. Can hear the blow offs a bit they are not that loud but they are there. And you can hear the turbos in the flyby pretty good especially the first one. Car looks like it can fly for sure!
Keep in mind the pcv tip.

Looking foward to your posts big time. Living thru them right now I guess.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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I like the videos and your car sounds great in the flybys. Can hear the blow offs a bit they are not that loud but they are there. And you can hear the turbos in the flyby pretty good especially the first one. Car looks like it can fly for sure!
Keep in mind the pcv tip.

Looking foward to your posts big time. Living thru them right now I guess.
Happy to oblige. I will be at the track tonight. My carclub rented Milan Dragway this evening. I hope to make at least one pass to see how the car feels. I don't want to beat on it too much though. Still want to drive it this season!

I have noticed I am definitely using more fuel with this set-up. I only got about 100 miles to a half a tank compared to the 150-200 I used to get. Then again, I have had a hard time keeping it out of boost too!
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You could easily break the rear end on real drag tires like et streets or bfg drags. You will not break it near as easy on nittos drag tires. And it is almost impossible to break the rear end on pure street tires they just don't hook good enough to do it,spinning saves the rear end but wheelhop could break it. A new rear end should be high on your list of mods if you want to track that thing much. Course its very likely it should be able to hit 11.5 and you would need a rollbar and some other stuff along the way I think. You will likely need helmet for sure this time .If its NHRA its 13.99 and under for helmet.Oh and also firejacket is required for turbo,nitrous,supercharged cars not sure if it applies to factory turbos.
You might get one pass by playing dumb and estimating your power low.Be interesting to see what happens. You can get kicked for year but usually warnings first.Not sure if they will let you keep your timeslip.
Good luck and have fun. You might want to borrow or invest in g tech or something similar for off track testing.
Anyway if you don't powershift just speed shift its unlikely you will hurt anything. Your car has been pro tuned I assume to run on pump premium. You can get a lot more out of the car by running alc injection system. You can go with more timing and a bit leaner and more boost but of course on stock motor I would be conservative and 7.5 is about all I would try, you could go maybe 10 with a head change to 72cc chamber type thing. But again better to be conservative and save up down the road for a forged motor.

So no other problems with the system now. How much extra vibration do you notice with those poly engine mounts? Have you tried driving it at steady speed on highway to see if there is more vibration? Any noises from any clearance issues? Any leaks still where you had some at various places like water lines,etc?
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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what did they do with the rear panhard bar = support bar ?? looks like they just bent it
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MY99TAWS6
You could easily break the rear end on real drag tires like et streets or bfg drags. You will not break it near as easy on nittos drag tires. And it is almost impossible to break the rear end on pure street tires they just don't hook good enough to do it,spinning saves the rear end but wheelhop could break it. A new rear end should be high on your list of mods if you want to track that thing much. Course its very likely it should be able to hit 11.5 and you would need a rollbar and some other stuff along the way I think. You will likely need helmet for sure this time .If its NHRA its 13.99 and under for helmet.Oh and also firejacket is required for turbo,nitrous,supercharged cars not sure if it applies to factory turbos.
You might get one pass by playing dumb and estimating your power low.Be interesting to see what happens. You can get kicked for year but usually warnings first.Not sure if they will let you keep your timeslip.
Good luck and have fun. You might want to borrow or invest in g tech or something similar for off track testing.
Anyway if you don't powershift just speed shift its unlikely you will hurt anything. Your car has been pro tuned I assume to run on pump premium. You can get a lot more out of the car by running alc injection system. You can go with more timing and a bit leaner and more boost but of course on stock motor I would be conservative and 7.5 is about all I would try, you could go maybe 10 with a head change to 72cc chamber type thing. But again better to be conservative and save up down the road for a forged motor.

So no other problems with the system now. How much extra vibration do you notice with those poly engine mounts? Have you tried driving it at steady speed on highway to see if there is more vibration? Any noises from any clearance issues? Any leaks still where you had some at various places like water lines,etc?
OOhh, I didn't think about the firejacket. I borrowed a helmet for tonight. May have to borrow a jacket from someone there if it is needed. Yeah the street tires should save me, but I heard they will have the track prepped to the 1/8 so hopefully I don't stick too well. Ha ha. Not changing any parameters. Stock wategate springs so stock boost and current tune. Gotta pay off this round of mods before I jump into more!

Yes tuned for a worst case of 92 Octane as I DD it. So if on a roadtrip I don't want to chance hurting it if I can't get 93 or 94.

No other problems with the kit. Vibrations don't feel bad to me anyway. I have been driving it to work this week and in traffic it is fine. My commute is regular roads and highways and it acts like like it used to with regular driving. No issues at all. I found a clearance issue to the tubular crossmember brace the exhaust shop made me. Bumped a speed bump yesterday so I will have to see if they can raise that up some as I discovered that was the lowest point on the car. Everything else clears but probably won't if I lower it next year.

Noticed an oil drip in the garage this morning that seems to be coming out of the back of my engine. I will be pissed of that stupid freeze plug in the crank is leaking again. It already sprayed oil on my clutch earlier this year. I will have to keep an eye on that and drop the trans again of that gets worse. Or with my luck it is now the rear oil seal on the block. The one seal I have not replaced yet.... No drips or anything from under the front of the car with all of the turbo plumbing.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 12:23 PM
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what did they do with the rear panhard bar = support bar ?? looks like they just bent it
They said they cut and welded the upper cross bar for clearance for the 4" pipe. It is tight with that monster pipe coming through there.
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So how did it go? Did you make it out?

With your weight and power is should have gone about 120mph.

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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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So how did it go? Did you make it out?

With your weight and power is should have gone about 120mph.

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Made 5 passes at Milan last night. Only 2 were clean where I didn't miss any gears or spin off the line. For running on street tires with no suspension upgrades other than my rear LCA's, this is not too bad. I ran a 12.5 twice at just under 122mph. I was car #36 on the slips. My reaction time is not the greatest but this was my first time at the track all year. And I am not launching hard as I didn't want to break the 10bolt. All in all I am very happy. I drove the car to the track, had fun, and drove home. And it is at work today! Gotta love a fun DD!
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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very nice numbers!! if your able to get those 60's down to the 1.8-1.9 range it should be a solid 11sec car. hell, even a 2.0 60 would get ya 12.0-12.1. thats freakin impressive for pretty much stock motor. goodjob!
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 11:02 AM
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Thats is a nice MPH. I have to spray the **** out of mine to get it where its at. we both can run the same numbers I'm sure but you can have yours at anytime where I have to make sure the bottle is open, full, warm. I'll start on mine probably tomarrow or next tuesday.

I was impressed with the car, and its quiet even with your exhaust. It has a nice sleeper sound to it. I was in the stands and didnt here any spool at all. Most of the other cars that had them you could hear it pretty good but not yours. I like it.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 11:27 AM
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Thanks guys. I am pretty happy with it. I was hoping for some cleaner launches to get into the lower 12's but did not have any luck with that. The one launch I tried leaving harder I ended up just spinning in 1st gear. Crappy time but still got 120.9mph. The car definitely pulls down the track! Feels great, I just have to remember to shift. Ha ha. I was enjoying the g-forces too much.

James, let me know when you start if you need any help. I am sure the install will go a lot faster this time around.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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That is awesome mph for a pretty much stock car. And pretty low boost. You have easily enough mph for some 11s. And would think with decent tires mid 11s are doable.
Six speeds are tricky to drive at the track. Get a shiftlight they help a lot. And you might need to do the drill mod for high rpm stuff.

What is altitude of your track?
Times were similar to buddies times with a procharger and headers on his SS that he just sold. His mph was lower forget how much lower. He was at a similar boost level.
He also was on street tires getting similar 60fts with lots of spinning.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MY99TAWS6
That is awesome mph for a pretty much stock car. And pretty low boost. You have easily enough mph for some 11s. And would think with decent tires mid 11s are doable.
Six speeds are tricky to drive at the track. Get a shiftlight they help a lot. And you might need to do the drill mod for high rpm stuff.

What is altitude of your track?
Times were similar to buddies times with a procharger and headers on his SS that he just sold. His mph was lower forget how much lower. He was at a similar boost level.
He also was on street tires getting similar 60fts with lots of spinning.
Harlan Shiftlight has been on the workbench for a while. Gotta get it in the car now. I can see where it would have been useful last night!

Drill mod was done when I replaced all of the clutch hydraulics this past spring.

Yeah 11's might be doable next year after a beefier rearend is in the car.

I think I NEED to get the torque arm relocation bracket too. My oil drip I thought I had turns out to be a trans tailshaft drip. I am guessing all of this newfound torque is loading up the tailshaft and wearing out my tailshaft seal. I just replaced it last year too so it should be fine. Hopefully I did not crack the tailshaft. That would suck.....
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 12:54 PM
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Nice runs, good to see run up to what is should have based on the "dyno sheet", infact exceeded it a bit, musta had some decent air. Congrats and have fun.

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