Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside...
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Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... I was informed that I might run into some cooling issues w/my upcoming iron block setup...
I'm currently running the single ATI fan thats supplied w/the procharger...
Will my stock radiator w/that fan keep the car cool enough...also, even if I was to upgrade radiators, what kind of fan would I use to take advantage of having the new radiator...
I'm going to also be adding some billet fuel rails along w/the braiding lines going from one side of the rail to the other...
Probably going to pop and do K-members & A-arms while the motor is out.....that will negate 40lbs off the front of the car, splitting the added weight of the iron block in half...
I'm currently running the single ATI fan thats supplied w/the procharger...
Will my stock radiator w/that fan keep the car cool enough...also, even if I was to upgrade radiators, what kind of fan would I use to take advantage of having the new radiator...
I'm going to also be adding some billet fuel rails along w/the braiding lines going from one side of the rail to the other...
Probably going to pop and do K-members & A-arms while the motor is out.....that will negate 40lbs off the front of the car, splitting the added weight of the iron block in half...
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Cool. (Pun intended. 
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The SLP radiator helped, but I can tell even it needs more air pulled across the radiator than the ATI supplied fan provides.
Someone here on on the "other" board said a BeCool Radiator and the Dual SPAL Fan stup gave them overkill cooling. Both those components may be required if you get scorching heat in the summer, but be prepared for quite a price tag between the two.
Normally priced at about four bills, the 11 Inch Dual Spal Fan is about $250 bucks here:
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetai...?ProductID=124
It pulls over 2700 CFM (compared that to 1800 for the ATI supplied fan).
You MAY get away with just this mod up north.
BeCool guarantees a 20-degree coolant drop or your money back:
http://www.becool.com/
That's probably with the stock fans in place, though.
Another $500 bucks or so, from what I've found.
Part #60028 for late-model FBody.
Here's what some Mustang guys have to say about it (cheaper on their cars?) :
http://reviews.stangnet.com/review.cgi?ID=228
)The SLP radiator helped, but I can tell even it needs more air pulled across the radiator than the ATI supplied fan provides.
Someone here on on the "other" board said a BeCool Radiator and the Dual SPAL Fan stup gave them overkill cooling. Both those components may be required if you get scorching heat in the summer, but be prepared for quite a price tag between the two.
Normally priced at about four bills, the 11 Inch Dual Spal Fan is about $250 bucks here:
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetai...?ProductID=124
It pulls over 2700 CFM (compared that to 1800 for the ATI supplied fan).
You MAY get away with just this mod up north.
BeCool guarantees a 20-degree coolant drop or your money back:
http://www.becool.com/
That's probably with the stock fans in place, though.
Another $500 bucks or so, from what I've found.
Part #60028 for late-model FBody.
Here's what some Mustang guys have to say about it (cheaper on their cars?) :
http://reviews.stangnet.com/review.cgi?ID=228
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... PS: I didn't jump on the SPAL Dual Fan setup yet because I hover at the "broke" mark and I haven't gotten a clear explanation of how the SPAL assembly would have to be modified to allow hookup of the ATI Inlet Plenum (which attaches to a top brace that fits over the top of the radiator, which attaches (the top brace) to the ATI supplied "shroud" and fan).
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Wouldn't the head unit of the procharger be in the way of the fans?
I got about a grand to spend on what ever I want to do..
I am going to do the upgraded fuel rails w/the braided lines, thats going to run me 400 bucks..
So I got 600 left over...
That be cool radiator will fit in my car no problem, I assume the standard trans one is the one I would get, running my Th400 setup...
I got about a grand to spend on what ever I want to do..
I am going to do the upgraded fuel rails w/the braided lines, thats going to run me 400 bucks..
So I got 600 left over...
That be cool radiator will fit in my car no problem, I assume the standard trans one is the one I would get, running my Th400 setup...
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... I've read a guy's post (on one of the two forums )that he has both... he was able to ride the assembly high enough, and the bottom corner of it is thin enough, that the compressor/Inlet Hat does not hit it.
I just don't know how he has secured it all.
I just don't know how he has secured it all.
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... the only thing i dont like about the spal fans is the amount of amps they draw, puts a large strain on the alternator/battery
i like the flexalite dual fan setup: pulls 2500cfm at like 15amps instead of 25 that the spals do and you get them for $200 from summit. The nice thing about them too is they are only 1 1/4" thick so it free's up A LOT
i like the flexalite dual fan setup: pulls 2500cfm at like 15amps instead of 25 that the spals do and you get them for $200 from summit. The nice thing about them too is they are only 1 1/4" thick so it free's up A LOT
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Thanks for the tip, Jimmy. I have to consider that option. I'm still not sure how to mate ANYTHING up with the ATI Inlet Plenum and top plate.
I have to consider that option. I'm still not sure how to mate ANYTHING up with the ATI Inlet Plenum and top plate. 
Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... i have the iron block /spal / becool set up .
it works ok , if you don't use the a/c.
driving around town in 105 deg heat the car runs fine as long as i don't use the AC. on the high way i could use the ac as long as i move at highway speeds.
i had to modify my setup a bit to get everything to work . fist off, i cut he gussets that hold the radiator core supportinorder to move the radiator forward a few inches. this frees up alot of space infront of the inlet hat. i then had tomodify the top ATI radiator brace to accomodate the different angle the radiator now sits in .
as for the fans , i had to trim the side edges of the shroud as well as a center ridge ( you'll know what it is when you see the fans)to have it sit flush on the radiator. i used the holes on the top of the shroud to mount it to the ATI radiator support ( drilled 3 new holes) and made my own brackets for the bottom side.
you will have to mount the fans off center (to passenger side ) and towards the top so they clear the head unit. you can tell these fans move a whole lot of air ! only problem they don't take full advantage of the radiator surface area, since the bottom 1/5 ( i'm guessing here) is not cooled.
those fans do draw alot of amps , but out of the countless fans and fan combos i tried they seem to work the best.
i still have some things i have to go through ( like making a prfect seal around the shroud and changing my custom home made highly modified thermostat )before i can give these fans the verdict.
to further help cooling you could also remove the weather stripping on the cowl, this helps hot air escape from under the hood more easily.
hope this helps.
it works ok , if you don't use the a/c.
driving around town in 105 deg heat the car runs fine as long as i don't use the AC. on the high way i could use the ac as long as i move at highway speeds.
i had to modify my setup a bit to get everything to work . fist off, i cut he gussets that hold the radiator core supportinorder to move the radiator forward a few inches. this frees up alot of space infront of the inlet hat. i then had tomodify the top ATI radiator brace to accomodate the different angle the radiator now sits in .
as for the fans , i had to trim the side edges of the shroud as well as a center ridge ( you'll know what it is when you see the fans)to have it sit flush on the radiator. i used the holes on the top of the shroud to mount it to the ATI radiator support ( drilled 3 new holes) and made my own brackets for the bottom side.
you will have to mount the fans off center (to passenger side ) and towards the top so they clear the head unit. you can tell these fans move a whole lot of air ! only problem they don't take full advantage of the radiator surface area, since the bottom 1/5 ( i'm guessing here) is not cooled.
those fans do draw alot of amps , but out of the countless fans and fan combos i tried they seem to work the best.
i still have some things i have to go through ( like making a prfect seal around the shroud and changing my custom home made highly modified thermostat )before i can give these fans the verdict.
to further help cooling you could also remove the weather stripping on the cowl, this helps hot air escape from under the hood more easily.
hope this helps.
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Speed Inc. sells the CAS radiators, that goes for close to 500 I believe, I might go with one of those...
What about the SLP radiator, thats like 280, but is that going to cool me down...I'm going to be staying w/the stock ATI single fan to start with...
What about the SLP radiator, thats like 280, but is that going to cool me down...I'm going to be staying w/the stock ATI single fan to start with...
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... I have the SLP. It's better, but it still needs fans to stay cool.
Thanks, 1dirtyZ, that WAS helpful.
The one fuzzy point for me... so you are saying the SPAL setup lets you drill and screw it to the ATI Inlet Plenum and top plate piece?
Thanks, 1dirtyZ, that WAS helpful.
The one fuzzy point for me... so you are saying the SPAL setup lets you drill and screw it to the ATI Inlet Plenum and top plate piece?
Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... I went with the single 16in. SPAL fan. It is a direct replacement to the ATI supplied fan. This fan does move some air and believe me you can hear it too. Stock ATI fan in 85* hot humid Florida weather I would see 230* temps in 15min. of traffic with the A/C on. I would only let the temp get to 230* before I turned the heat on. After the Spal fan I did a little test, I let the car idle for 45min. with the A/C on in >90*, the temp would not pass 220*. I have not seen my temp go over 220* yet and usally the temp says between 180*-200* I have a scanmaster and autometer temp guage to get my temp. number from. There is no way with the stock ATI fan that I could let the car sit there for 45 min. and not overheat. I think I will still install the BeCool Radiator, they guaratee a 20* reduction in temps.
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... How much did that single ATI replacement spal cost you?
I'm going to be going with a polised CAS radiator for sure, seems to be a good piece...
I'm going to be going with a polised CAS radiator for sure, seems to be a good piece...
Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... i think spal has a killer deal still going on , any single fan for $125 if i remember correctly.
black ls1 T/A , sorry i should have made it clearer: the spal fans mount to the radiator brace ( the peice under the intake plenum) .
in my case the plenum peice and the brace peice can't be bloted/ screwed together because the radiator is tilted so far back.
black ls1 T/A , sorry i should have made it clearer: the spal fans mount to the radiator brace ( the peice under the intake plenum) .
in my case the plenum peice and the brace peice can't be bloted/ screwed together because the radiator is tilted so far back.
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Where can I get more info about this single fan, this fan fits w/no problems, its a DIRECT replacement??
I need to order one of these soon....
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I need to order one of these soon....
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Anyone heard of this one?
Turbo-Flex® High Performance Electric Fans
http://www.excessivemotorsports.com/product.phtml?p=110
It's supposed to move "twice" the volume of air as "competitors".
Electric, 16 in., 2,950 cfm rating, reversible, fan. It's significantly more than the 1600 CFM the ATI supplied fan moves, so it should be helpful.
Part# PAC-19115: $140.
They also state that, "Item is in stock and ships quickly". I might try it.
Turbo-Flex® High Performance Electric Fans
http://www.excessivemotorsports.com/product.phtml?p=110
It's supposed to move "twice" the volume of air as "competitors".
Electric, 16 in., 2,950 cfm rating, reversible, fan. It's significantly more than the 1600 CFM the ATI supplied fan moves, so it should be helpful.
Part# PAC-19115: $140.
They also state that, "Item is in stock and ships quickly". I might try it.
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Re: Cooling & fuel w/iron block....experts inside... Would that turbo fan fit in w/out any problems??
Still looking for information about the 16" single spal fan thats the "direct replacement"
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Still looking for information about the 16" single spal fan thats the "direct replacement"
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