14.5:1 Compression single 106MM
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which jeff you talking about?....my name is Jeff oh and which door ! There was a guy next to me with his cell phone catching a video.
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Jeff, I was referring too was Mc Bride, lol
Do you know that guy that caught it?
We have been exploring this idea my car for a couple of months now.
Initially we had talked about going 9.5:1, 430 LSX, Air to water and race gas, but then began looking at an alcohol setup. At one point we talked to Russ from EFILive, so see if we could stack two LS1 computers and drive them together to run the alky on a stockish setup - we still believe it would be possible, but have switched ems's to the Autronic at this point. In talking to other friends/racers, we have found that running higher compression with the forced induction can be made to work, it is just a matter of working thru the bugs. We are now thinking about sitting in the 13ish range and running 25-30psi on the motor.
The lines and fuel delivery are very expensive, but really not that bad. We talked to Waterman at PRI and found the mini berhta pump would work in our application. Thousand dollars for list, but thats not really bad considering a big weldon is 2000+
I have a couple of friends who run big prostreet style cars - 540inch motors with 14 and 16-71 blowers on them. They run mechanical alky injection on the street but the issue is consumption. We went on a 20mile cruise in Atlanta and had to go get 10 gallons just to get halfway home! In a race car, this wouldn't be an issue. We are going to run a 20 gallon cell in my car.
The no intercooler is nice - where we are running my turbos, there is no room for an air/air and the air/water would be some extra plumbing. Alky is so cold, you can get away with no intercooler up to a point.
If you have any questions, PM or call me 912.351.0270 and I can share some other info with you.
Initially we had talked about going 9.5:1, 430 LSX, Air to water and race gas, but then began looking at an alcohol setup. At one point we talked to Russ from EFILive, so see if we could stack two LS1 computers and drive them together to run the alky on a stockish setup - we still believe it would be possible, but have switched ems's to the Autronic at this point. In talking to other friends/racers, we have found that running higher compression with the forced induction can be made to work, it is just a matter of working thru the bugs. We are now thinking about sitting in the 13ish range and running 25-30psi on the motor.
The lines and fuel delivery are very expensive, but really not that bad. We talked to Waterman at PRI and found the mini berhta pump would work in our application. Thousand dollars for list, but thats not really bad considering a big weldon is 2000+
I have a couple of friends who run big prostreet style cars - 540inch motors with 14 and 16-71 blowers on them. They run mechanical alky injection on the street but the issue is consumption. We went on a 20mile cruise in Atlanta and had to go get 10 gallons just to get halfway home! In a race car, this wouldn't be an issue. We are going to run a 20 gallon cell in my car.
The no intercooler is nice - where we are running my turbos, there is no room for an air/air and the air/water would be some extra plumbing. Alky is so cold, you can get away with no intercooler up to a point.
If you have any questions, PM or call me 912.351.0270 and I can share some other info with you.
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70Stang- Thanks for the input.
Billy what we need to do is talk Jeff Cummins dad into putting alcohol and a big nasty 132MM turbo on the 540+ci motor in the Camaro. He is always down for trying new things
Billy what we need to do is talk Jeff Cummins dad into putting alcohol and a big nasty 132MM turbo on the 540+ci motor in the Camaro. He is always down for trying new things
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Yeah, He said about 3 months ago he wanted too do that and called me and asked a few question already but has not decided too move Forward with it yet!
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now with a complete filled 348ci and a 106mm on a alky setup with lets say a blow threw carb, should put down some pretty good numbers if your just going for a drag setup only?
I have been thinking about doing that set up for a long time. but never started on it.
filled 348ci not half way.
13.5.1cr
blow threw alky carb.
106mm turbo
2800 race wieght
It should make out to a nasty drag car at least?
i know i have not said more info on it but just putting the basics.
but wondering how much power a filled block would take,
of course having the assembly up to par.
I have been thinking about doing that set up for a long time. but never started on it.
filled 348ci not half way.
13.5.1cr
blow threw alky carb.
106mm turbo
2800 race wieght
It should make out to a nasty drag car at least?
i know i have not said more info on it but just putting the basics.
but wondering how much power a filled block would take,
of course having the assembly up to par.
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now with a complete filled 348ci and a 106mm on a alky setup with lets say a blow threw carb, should put down some pretty good numbers if your just going for a drag setup only?
I have been thinking about doing that set up for a long time. but never started on it.
filled 348ci not half way.
13.5.1cr
blow threw alky carb.
106mm turbo
2800 race wieght
It should make out to a nasty drag car at least?
i know i have not said more info on it but just putting the basics.
but wondering how much power a filled block would take,
of course having the assembly up to par.
I have been thinking about doing that set up for a long time. but never started on it.
filled 348ci not half way.
13.5.1cr
blow threw alky carb.
106mm turbo
2800 race wieght
It should make out to a nasty drag car at least?
i know i have not said more info on it but just putting the basics.
but wondering how much power a filled block would take,
of course having the assembly up to par.
good set up....possible low 5's 1/8 and high 7's 1/4
well i have already a alum block bored decked and machined for thunder racing main caps. so i figure if i have a block already done, why not just use it. also have a few friends running in the alky boost department. but not on a ls1 all big block guys... and i keep hearing from them why dont you go alky!!! and like i said just for a drag car only, high 7s would be nice!!!
for a alum filled block boosted alky drag set up!!!
for a alum filled block boosted alky drag set up!!!
I may be wrong but if your aluminum block is already machined, I dont think it can be filled now. i was always under the impression that the filling had to be done before the final machining.
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any info would be nice i have a hatch with 408 and 14.1 static compression
im going to try it just wondered if anyone has done this could tell me about
it.
how much boost ?
what gears ?
how much fuel pressure?
timing?
plugs?
egts?
will 7al2 work with msd boost timing master
how fast ?
how long is the life span?
any info would be greatly apreaciated.
im going to try it just wondered if anyone has done this could tell me about
it.
how much boost ?
what gears ?
how much fuel pressure?
timing?
plugs?
egts?
will 7al2 work with msd boost timing master
how fast ?
how long is the life span?
any info would be greatly apreaciated.