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Old 03-19-2008, 04:00 PM
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I like 525rwtq@2500 rpm....
Old 03-19-2008, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by redrumss
I like 525rwtq@2500 rpm....
Old 03-19-2008, 06:56 PM
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Very very nice setup! Why is she in the 500's on 15lbs? Shouldn't she be making well over 600 at 15lbs boost?
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Originally Posted by 52172
Very very nice setup! Why is she in the 500's on 15lbs? Shouldn't she be making well over 600 at 15lbs boost?
No timing in it bro. Yes it should be around 600, but if ya cant get the timing in it, it wont make any power.
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Gotcha aren't you guys only able to get about 13* timing right now? That ain't much at all. Is the KB intercooler pretty weak? What kind of IT's are you seeing?
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Originally Posted by 52172
Gotcha aren't you guys only able to get about 13* timing right now? That ain't much at all. Is the KB intercooler pretty weak? What kind of IT's are you seeing?
Doesnt matter the IATs. It will ping with 13 degrees and cool IATs. It could be carbon build up. It could be just that thats were its gonna ping at 15 pounds of boost with no meth. No telling. But, with the meth we'll be able to get at least 4 or 5 degrees more, maybe even more than that.
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Sorry guys this was not a max effort yet. Meth will go on as well as a more capable fuel system when the forged 347, TPIS Stage III 6.0L heads and a Futral FM8 blower cam. Stand by guys a lot more in this setup for sure but remember this is a stock motor on a stock fuel setup with a BAP.
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Well there's something that I don't know then. Doesn't meth just lower the IT's? I would now guess not from what you are telling me. I thought the IT's really affected the amount of timing one could run a great amount along with other things like compression and spark temp fuel octane etc etc?
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Methanol lowers intake temp, but also raises octane level at the same time. Both I'm guessing will help here.
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Yes they would. Octane rating and IAT temps. I am not going to push the stock motor as it is coming out and I hopefully have it sold. We can and will push the forged setup though.
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Originally Posted by 52172
Well there's something that I don't know then. Doesn't meth just lower the IT's? I would now guess not from what you are telling me. I thought the IT's really affected the amount of timing one could run a great amount along with other things like compression and spark temp fuel octane etc etc?
Meth lowers the IATs and increases the octane rating. So, more timing can be added.
As for the IATs, the higher the temps, the more timing is pulled. But, this can be tuned. There are several tables that all have to jive to end up with the desired timing without KR. You've got the low octane table (which it runs off in SD) the engine protection table (retard), the boost timing table (retard) burst knock, IAT retard, and I'm sure theres more. You gotta know where to add and where to subtract.
Anyways, on the last run, the IATs where low enough to not be pulling any timing.
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Originally Posted by redrumss
Yes they would. Octane rating and IAT temps. I am not going to push the stock motor as it is coming out and I hopefully have it sold. We can and will push the forged setup though.
Forged is always good. That combined with slightly lower compression makes for much easier, and safer tuning.
Just as an example, Rogers at 18 pounds of boost, we're running about 22-24 degrees of timing. Thats with 8.5:1 comp and meth.
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From what I understand the big bore 2.8L is meant to be run @ over 20psi to really get her moving and that the 2.2L and 2.4L KB's are actually more "efficient" with the lower boost pressure.

Regardless, thats awesome man! Always cool as **** to see a KB on an LSX
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Well the plan eventually is to run it in the 20-25 psi boost range in the end so we will get there.
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How effective is the KB intercooler? Or any twin screw or roots type blower for that matter it seems the intercooler is way too small for the motor when the intercooler rests underneith the blower. I know compactness and ease of install is the main principle, but intercooler is not a place you want to skimp thats for sure. I would rather have a KB blower minus the intercooler and send the intake charge through a large FMIC if that was an option.
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Well the screw heats up the air as it is compressed so the only effective way is to have the intercooler under the blower. Put some pure meth on it with a boost activated switch and call it a day. Meth will lower IAT's tremendously and allow for a lot more timing. Best way to do it unless you wanna run alcohol or nitro-methane.
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lol:thats what I don't like about those types of superchargers. I like being able to run a nice lookin FMIC and meth is not needed really. I do like the torque curve of the twin screws and roots type though. I went turbo for reasons like greater efficiency, jetlike sound, more power than any supercharger, not having to worry about a belt, being able to change boost levels with the press of a button inside the cab, and don't forget about the turbo whistle!

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Originally Posted by 52172
:fluf fy::t wisted:thats what I don't like about those types of superchargers. I like being able to run a nice lookin FMIC and meth is not needed really. I do like the torque curve of the twin screws and roots type though. I went turbo for reasons like greater efficiency, jetlike sound, more power than any supercharger, not having to worry about a belt, being able to change boost levels with the press of a button inside the cab, and don't forget about the turbo whistle!
Well good for you! I guess RedRumSS setup is just garbage....


Love the KBs man your setup makes me cream my pants. I can not wait until I can get my Maggie!!!!
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nice work on the KB man. Bet you can't wait to drive and let everyone here the banshee woooooooooooooooooooo
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Originally Posted by WhosNXT
Well good for you! I guess RedRumSS setup is just garbage....


Love the KBs man your setup makes me cream my pants. I can not wait until I can get my Maggie!!!!
I never called his setup garbage it is pretty dope if you ask me. Anyone that puts down a KB is an Idiot. Its just doesn't have all the benefits of a turbo.


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