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Old 06-02-2008, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MADMAN
On our twin turbo mustang is made 35 lbs of boost and 48 lbs of back pressure at 1490 rwhp. This was on twin 91mm with true 4" exhaust dumping 4 ft from the turbos.
Is it normal to make "only" 1490 rwhp with twin 91's at 35 psi? Just curious on the rest of the combo I guess!

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Originally Posted by MADMAN
On our twin turbo mustang is made 35 lbs of boost and 48 lbs of back pressure at 1490 rwhp. This was on twin 91mm with true 4" exhaust dumping 4 ft from the turbos.
That kinda' surprises me that the backpressure is that high with those two huge turbo's. Usually, the bigger the turbo in relation to the engine, the lower the backpressure (see also Old Geezer's data). Maybe it's a huge engine or spinning really high rpm. . .

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Diesel doesn't apply here....
Ha ha! That didnt take long! Its the only turbo vehicle I have running at the moment.
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Folks, keep in mind that the cold-side is just as influential on backpressure as the hot side. Restrictive piping, restrictive intercooler, small TB, small compressor, or even a small air filter will a) reduce boost in the intake plenum and b) make the turbine work extra hard to spin the compressor in an effort to reach wastegate setpoint. Both of these make the E/I ratio worse.

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Originally Posted by engineermike
Folks, keep in mind that the cold-side is just as influential on backpressure as the hot side. Restrictive piping, restrictive intercooler, small TB, small compressor, or even a small air filter will a) reduce boost in the intake plenum and b) make the turbine work extra hard to spin the compressor in an effort to reach wastegate setpoint. Both of these make the E/I ratio worse.

Mike

Very true....also the fuel used. Meth and Alky will have a definite effect on backpressure reading as well.
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Originally Posted by B18B1LS1
Is it normal to make "only" 1490 rwhp with twin 91's at 35 psi? Just curious on the rest of the combo I guess!

Jeffrey

No its not normal. After disassembling the motor we found we only had 7.3 to 1 compression and the cam selection was wrong. We are changing some stuff up to make it 9 to 1 and a new cam and we should see some changes.
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Originally Posted by engineermike
That kinda' surprises me that the backpressure is that high with those two huge turbo's. Usually, the bigger the turbo in relation to the engine, the lower the backpressure (see also Old Geezer's data). Maybe it's a huge engine or spinning really high rpm. . .

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You need to come by and put your "engineer" eyes on it!!!!
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Originally Posted by MADMAN
You need to come by and put your "engineer" eyes on it!!!!
I'm afraid I'd get "turbo envy".
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Originally Posted by engineermike
I'm afraid I'd get "turbo envy".
We plan to bring to the market a special "Blue Turbo pill" just for that. Turboagra
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I assume this is measured after the turbo correct? Where would be the best place to check backpressure on a rear mounted setup?
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BP should be measured after and before the turbo.
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Originally Posted by MADMAN
No its not normal. After disassembling the motor we found we only had 7.3 to 1 compression and the cam selection was wrong. We are changing some stuff up to make it 9 to 1 and a new cam and we should see some changes.
Thats cool, I wasn't questioning you guys, just wondering what was up with it!
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
We plan to bring to the market a special "Blue Turbo pill" just for that. Turboagra
How about 'Psiagra" instead?

Boost goes up and stays higher longer? Sign me up, but no SPAM!

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Is there a general rule of thumb for exhaust sizing to get a back pressure ratio of 1:1?
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We use 1.25 X turbine exducer.
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
We use 1.25 X turbine exducer.
So if the turbine exducer is 5" than you need something equal to ~6.25"?
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
So if the turbine exducer is 5" than you need something equal to ~6.25"?
Correct....of course thank goodness their is no turbo currently out yet that has a 5" exducer turbine....hehe
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
Correct....of course thank goodness their is no turbo currently out yet that has a 5" exducer turbine....hehe
they would need one helluva v-band outlet too...that would become a restriction at that point since most thumpers use a std 5" setup...
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
Correct....of course thank goodness their is no turbo currently out yet that has a 5" exducer turbine....hehe
I know, just using round numbers so for a turbo with a 4" exducer you would need a 5" Exhaust, would that number assume the wastegate is vented internally or externally? How would that change the calculation?
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Depends on how soon the gate pipe is coming into the down pipe. Certainly there is a difference though because of the extra exhaust gas in the down pipe.


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