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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 04:50 AM
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Hey whats going on guys I have a 6.0 iron block that I just picked up from a buddy, I am having it bored out to a 408 because from what I have been reading 408CI is the ideal bore size for a turbo application 6.0 block.

Right now I am trying to piece together a rotating assembly because I do not want to go the stroker route because I am looking to build a strong motor that will last me a while.

I was just curious what Cranks people are running, I was thinking of maybe using the OEM LS2 crank and have the have the counter weights knife edged. what do you guys think would be best?

And reading the piston thread you guys will be happy to know that I am going to run Wiseco 2618 8/-15/20cc at 9.1CR b

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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by X-MAN510
Hey whats going on guys I have a 6.0 iron block that I just picked up from a buddy, I had it bored out to a 408 because from what I have been reading 408CI is the ideal bore size for a turbo application 6.0 block.

Right now I am trying to piece together a rotating assembly because I do not want to go the stroker route because I am looking to build a strong motor that will last me a while.

I was just curious what Cranks people are running, I was thinking of maybe using the OEM LS2 crank and have the have the counter weights knife edged. what do you guys think would be best?

And reading the piston thread you guys will be happy to know that I am going to run Wiseco 2618 8/-15/20cc at 9.1CR b
I will be watching with interest, as I am building a turbo engine my self. What year block did you buy and if you don't mind me asking, how much did it set you back? I am looking for a block now. Good luck with your build!
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 06:34 AM
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Use a stock crank and 6.125 rods
If the block was bored for a 408 it is .030 over

with a stock crank and .030 over pistons you will be at 370ci

we have several members here with HIGH HP 370's, some over 1k RWHP.

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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 07:05 AM
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I use a Callies Forged crank
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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I kept my 6.0L iron block as the stock bore and just did a line hone, debur, and blueprinting. I figured the difference between a 402 and 408 is not much since I will be running the F1-R. Plus the extra wall thickness gives me a little piece of mind.

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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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im running a 402 with a 4" lunati forged crank
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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Honestly after looking at the price of a used crank plus machining, the extra 38 cubes going to a 403 was a no brainer. And you really should have waited to machine the block until you have your pistons, as you need to machine to the piston and not the other way around.

Best bet would be to contact somebody local to you and have them build it with their parts as they'll probably get a better deal on parts. Where are you located?
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Originally Posted by Mr.MartyStone
Honestly after looking at the price of a used crank plus machining, the extra 38 cubes going to a 403 was a no brainer. And you really should have waited to machine the block until you have your pistons, as you need to machine to the piston and not the other way around.

Best bet would be to contact somebody local to you and have them build it with their parts as they'll probably get a better deal on parts. Where are you located?
That's what I was about to say. Exact piston diameter will vary, along with recommended clearences. To say just a .030 larger bore would be difficult.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinky93
I will be watching with interest, as I am building a turbo engine my self. What year block did you buy and if you don't mind me asking, how much did it set you back? I am looking for a block now. Good luck with your build!
I'm not really too sure of the year but I picked it up for 300 bucks... And thanks I am going to need all the luck I can get... But so far I've been pretty lucky.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek @ EDO
Use a stock crank and 6.125 rods
If the block was bored for a 408 it is .030 over

with a stock crank and .030 over pistons you will be at 370ci

we have several members here with HIGH HP 370's, some over 1k RWHP.

Derek
hmm... really? Excuse me I am a Nissan guy this would be my first time building a V8 and this is all sort of new to me and I have always been a fan of LS series motors so when I stumbled upon this block I had to get it. Is the reason it is a 370CI because of the fact that the crank has a shorter stroke?

I got the Idea of using a smaller crank from Ferrari... All there cranks are surprisingly small and they rev up like no other and make great power...

So what is a good 408 rotating assy that isn't a stroker? I've heard a lot about callies but they don't explain much on there page.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.MartyStone
Honestly after looking at the price of a used crank plus machining, the extra 38 cubes going to a 403 was a no brainer. And you really should have waited to machine the block until you have your pistons, as you need to machine to the piston and not the other way around.

Best bet would be to contact somebody local to you and have them build it with their parts as they'll probably get a better deal on parts. Where are you located?
I am located in Union City CA, The shop hasn't touched the block yet... they are waiting on me to figure out what rotating assembly I want to go with. And I will be building the motor myself.
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Originally Posted by X-MAN510
hmm... really? Excuse me I am a Nissan guy this would be my first time building a V8 and this is all sort of new to me and I have always been a fan of LS series motors so when I stumbled upon this block I had to get it. Is the reason it is a 370CI because of the fact that the crank has a shorter stroke?

I got the Idea of using a smaller crank from Ferrari... All there cranks are surprisingly small and they rev up like no other and make great power...

So what is a good 408 rotating assy that isn't a stroker? I've heard a lot about callies but they don't explain much on there page.
Yes, shorter stroke makes it a 370.

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Most will tell you that for a turbo application, you don't need the added torque from a stroker.. and often will list reason why not to stroke a turbo motor. Of course, me being me, have a bored .065 over 4" stroke 415 ci with twins. If I were to do it again, I'd go against the grain again... but to put into persepctive, my friend destroked his and runs big twins and pulls 7.70,s Im prob a few seconds slower.. lol
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jammer
Most will tell you that for a turbo application, you don't need the added torque from a stroker.. and often will list reason why not to stroke a turbo motor. Of course, me being me, have a bored .065 over 4" stroke 415 ci with twins. If I were to do it again, I'd go against the grain again... but to put into persepctive, my friend destroked his and runs big twins and pulls 7.70,s Im prob a few seconds slower.. lol
haha I'm the same way I am the one person anyone can count on to go against the grain, everyone one tells me your going to run yourself off the track with that motor in a datsun Z haha (408 Turbo)... but what size bore is your friend running? a 415 as well or a 408?
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i did callies crank, howards steel rods, custom diamond pistons. plan on running 20 psi.
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 01ramair500hp
i did callies crank, howards steel rods, custom diamond pistons. plan on running 20 psi.
So for the callies crank did you just tell them I want a 408 stock stroke crank, I'm not even sure if thats how you word it? haha

And I just want to say thanks a lot guys your help is greatly appreciated.
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Your looking for the Callies 4" stroke crank
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Your looking for the Callies 4" stroke crank
Ok now thats a stroker crank right because according to POZESD99's sig he also has a 4" stroke crank but he is a baller and has a Lunati crank and refers to it as a stroker crank. but if I use 6.125 rods that would put me right where I want to be right, a 408 non stroker?

Sorry if I am sounding repetitive but I just want to make sure I'm on the same page?
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A 408 is a stroker, a non stroked 408 would be a 370.
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A 4" crank will net you 408ci. A stock crank will net you 370ci. I think you are wanting to go 408ci all bore and that is not attainable with a 6.0 iron block.
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