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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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Default High HP Guys Not Using BS3 - Knock Sensor Question

What are the guys pushing 1000 plus doing about knock sensors when running a tuning software such as HP tuners? I know that BS3 allows you to eliminate them and run a valley cover that is solid with no provisions for sensors. I am not for sure if I will run into problems though if I keep my knock sensors and tune with HP 3 bar. My setup is in my sig fyi.

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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 03:14 PM
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Should be able to tune around that.
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Are you worried about the seals around the knock sensors? Because you could run into a problem with crankcase pressure around the sensors.
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Thats what I've heard. I have a book on High HP LS1/6's and in it, it showcases W2W building an F1R C5R 427. In it, they use a solid valley cover and mention that they tend to favor it in high boost applications for the very reason you mentioned. I'm just wondering if that's definitely a problem or a nice to have, piece of mind kind of deal.
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This is off topic but is the F1R and 8rip setup fit F-BODY???
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Oh...you can make anything fit

Seriously though...It can fit in there with the supplied J bracket from Procharger. The thing is though, fitment of the air cleaner for daily driving is tough to get on...but if you're going strip only w/no cleaner...no prob.
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i would definitely not worry about the knock sensor seals being a problem with FI. if you are blowing past those seals (with proper crank ventilation elsewhere) you have big big problems.

i bet w2w was running a lot of crankcase vacuum and is why they needed to be sealed up.

also no knock control with bs3 is standard, but i have run knock control on mine for a while as well.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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i would definitely not worry about the knock sensor seals being a problem with FI. if you are blowing past those seals (with proper crank ventilation elsewhere) you have big big problems.
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The seals would leak when the vac sucked them out, thats why we deleted them.

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Good point Kurt.
Do you guys offer a solid plate with a -12 built in for the vac pump?
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
i bet w2w was running a lot of crankcase vacuum and is why they needed to be sealed up.
yep great point kurt
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I don't offer a solid plate at this time.


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Doesnt Nasty N8 offer a billet valley plate ?
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
i would definitely not worry about the knock sensor seals being a problem with FI. if you are blowing past those seals (with proper crank ventilation elsewhere) you have big big problems.

i bet w2w was running a lot of crankcase vacuum and is why they needed to be sealed up.

also no knock control with bs3 is standard, but i have run knock control on mine for a while as well.
Cool. Thanks for the info.

I don't plan on running a sealed crankcase, so as long as I have a good vent elsewhere that isn't causing restrictions enough to put a load on the knock sensor seals, I should be good.

Will a dry sump setup pull enough vacuum on the bottom side of the crankcase with the scavenge lines to cause any issues? I don't plan on running a vacuum pump like Kurt mentioned, but I will probably go to a dry sump setup once I decide to turn more RPM's.
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I just welded up my stock plate and added fittings for the breather tank. MightyMouse, can you PM me in regards to the knock control and the BS3?
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