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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 09:20 AM
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We're having issues with water flow with our Intercooler/water tank/pump setup. Basically it starts fine and than trails off.

Tank: Chiseled 5 gallon - No vents
Pump: Rule 3800 gph - 1.25" feed from tank to pump, pump is below the tank
Intercooler: Chiseled 3000hp

We first noticed a problem, the IATs were hot - 130ish on a 70 degree day not really pushing the turbo. We thought it was from the trans cooler being in the tank.

So we removed the transcooler for last nights race. IATs are still up. So we started looking.

When we first turn on the pump on the water in the tank really flows fast. It shoots across the tank with ease. After it runs for a few seconds the flow dramatically drops until it just basically rolls out of the return. It seems to get better with the lid off.

We're wondering if its pulling in air or the pump is cavating from not having a vent. We notice the Lid is VERY hard to get off once we come back from a run.
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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You have a vent on it?
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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No vent on the tank.
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Pretty sure you need a vent. I welded a catch can to side of my fuel cell and run all my overflows there.
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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I think your right.
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 12:02 PM
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I am not sure if this would be the same as what you are talking about, but does the coolant system work the same way. Do you have to run a vent on it also? I am not using the stock overflow so I was just wondering if it needs to vented in someway also!
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Old Aug 9, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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This has my curiosity, as I was getting ready to order the Chiseled water tank, wasn't sure if I wanted the 5 or 7 gallon. Being as it is not pressurized, I would think you are on the right track with the vent. Saving there is not a mechanical or electrical problem with the pump. Adding a vent or leaving the lid off to test might confirm.
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Old Aug 10, 2008 | 08:49 AM
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i do not have a giant water system but mine does not have a vent.

you would have to be losing fluid from the reservoir to have some low pressure in there, but you gain it (pumped back from ic) as fast as you lose it (pump to ic)

also consider that you watch the problem happen while the cap is off.. plenty of venting happening then still having the problem

i would look for a hose collapsing between the reservoir and water pump
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TRy the vent phil and see what it does.
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line size?
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Old Aug 10, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Vent... Phil here's a link to my water tank - on the right.. notice the vent upper left. Doubt it, but there could be one other thing could be the problem -- do you have foam or a screen in front of the outlet? My son has a problem with his water tank - same set up as mine - no foam in the bottom and the ice get stuck in the outlet plugging up the hole.

Here's a picture of my set up: http://sio.midco.net/davidb/Magazine/jun300013.JPG

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Navy David,
1.5" and 1.25" ID lines. What are your IATs through the run?
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
i do not have a giant water system but mine does not have a vent.

you would have to be losing fluid from the reservoir to have some low pressure in there, but you gain it (pumped back from ic) as fast as you lose it (pump to ic)

also consider that you watch the problem happen while the cap is off.. plenty of venting happening then still having the problem

i would look for a hose collapsing between the reservoir and water pump
The hoses are soo hard there is no possible way they will collapse. You couldn't crush with with a pair of vice grips.
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5 gallons
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Sounds like the ice is clogging the outlet of the tank.
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mine has no issues that I can see, lid on or off and I don't have a vent...but my pump is intank...
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
Sounds like the ice is clogging the outlet of the tank.
The chiseled tank has a screen that covers the pickup/
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does the pump change its sound when the water pressure drops?
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
Navy David,
1.5" and 1.25" ID lines. What are your IATs through the run?
We have never put the IAT sensor on. The sensor lays in the "show case", one of last things that have just been sitting there and not gotten done.

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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
does the pump change its sound when the water pressure drops?
I'd have to check, don't think so.
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