delete intercooler; add nitrous
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delete intercooler; add nitrous I figure my water system weighs about twice as much as a nitrous system; looking to drop weight and / or improve on my maxed out combo.
I would be removing my water intercooler, water tank, pump, hoses, about 7 gal total of water and replacing with a 10# bottle single solenoid set up shortly after the turbo discharge.
Ray @ Nitro Daves did some research for me and came to the conclusion that it would take so much nitrous to get a handle on the IAT that I might as well just run nitrous.
I would be leaving the meth system on the car to continue aiding in octane and IAT cooling.
:discuss:
I would be removing my water intercooler, water tank, pump, hoses, about 7 gal total of water and replacing with a 10# bottle single solenoid set up shortly after the turbo discharge.
Ray @ Nitro Daves did some research for me and came to the conclusion that it would take so much nitrous to get a handle on the IAT that I might as well just run nitrous.
I would be leaving the meth system on the car to continue aiding in octane and IAT cooling.
:discuss:
Just run alky and get rid of the intercooler and radaitor.I am really being for real when I say this. Alky burns so cool you don't need a intercooler, radator and some people don't even run a water pump.
Here is what I posted in the other link.. I will be watching this thread to see if I can not learn something new as well....
David,
I would be interested to see what other answers you come up with other than what Ray told you over the phone today. Please share with me what you end up with. I will be happy to work with you in anyway.
I made a phone call to a buddy of mine to get his opinion as well before Ray called you back.. The thought behind this is the following.
Assuming you have a really good water to cooler system removing it with running the amount of boost and making the power you are is going to add alot of heat back into the system.
Replacing what the water to cooler does may not be as easy as simply just adding some more power to make up the weight..
For one you will need to switch the car over to Alcohol. This will require a complete fuel system change.. Then during tunning this system you will have to lower the boost and work up the tune with adding boost and nitrous while watching the airtemp.
At some point you may find your self spraying more nitrous and lower boost in order to keep it cool.
Dave
David,
I would be interested to see what other answers you come up with other than what Ray told you over the phone today. Please share with me what you end up with. I will be happy to work with you in anyway.
I made a phone call to a buddy of mine to get his opinion as well before Ray called you back.. The thought behind this is the following.
Assuming you have a really good water to cooler system removing it with running the amount of boost and making the power you are is going to add alot of heat back into the system.
Replacing what the water to cooler does may not be as easy as simply just adding some more power to make up the weight..
For one you will need to switch the car over to Alcohol. This will require a complete fuel system change.. Then during tunning this system you will have to lower the boost and work up the tune with adding boost and nitrous while watching the airtemp.
At some point you may find your self spraying more nitrous and lower boost in order to keep it cool.
Dave
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I figure my water system weighs about twice as much as a nitrous system; looking to drop weight and / or improve on my maxed out combo.
I would be removing my water intercooler, water tank, pump, hoses, about 7 gal total of water and replacing with a 10# bottle single solenoid set up shortly after the turbo discharge.
Ray @ Nitro Daves did some research for me and came to the conclusion that it would take so much nitrous to get a handle on the IAT that I might as well just run nitrous.
I would be leaving the meth system on the car to continue aiding in octane and IAT cooling.
:discuss:
I would be removing my water intercooler, water tank, pump, hoses, about 7 gal total of water and replacing with a 10# bottle single solenoid set up shortly after the turbo discharge.
Ray @ Nitro Daves did some research for me and came to the conclusion that it would take so much nitrous to get a handle on the IAT that I might as well just run nitrous.
I would be leaving the meth system on the car to continue aiding in octane and IAT cooling.
:discuss:
Are you running straight water in the tank, or a coolant mix? Lowering the freezing point by running cold wx coolant (or even better a salt-water/electrolyte mixture....provided the tank's not aluminum) would allow you to supercool the tank w/ cryo or even dry ice for racing. That would drop IAT's in a hurry
Anyhow, just my $0.02
I'm sure you saw this one it was posted here too.
Like this but on a faster scale for you since your probably making more HP to start with.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...-HP_182198.htm
Like this but on a faster scale for you since your probably making more HP to start with.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...-HP_182198.htm
for a junkyard build, you can go without an intercooler, which simplifies the build, and gives you a few more positioning options = cheaper and easier.
e85 runs cool so you can run more timing and/or more boost = more power.
also, intercoolers by design "steal" some of your boost, but with the lower temps you can ultimately run more boost. with e85, there is no boost stealing = more power.
case in point, the runnerup of last years ptw tour made 1500+ rwhp, no intercooler, no water injection, 8.4:1 compression, running 25lbs of boost. all thanks to e85
e85 runs cool so you can run more timing and/or more boost = more power.
also, intercoolers by design "steal" some of your boost, but with the lower temps you can ultimately run more boost. with e85, there is no boost stealing = more power.
case in point, the runnerup of last years ptw tour made 1500+ rwhp, no intercooler, no water injection, 8.4:1 compression, running 25lbs of boost. all thanks to e85
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a/a is not going to scratch the iat's i can get with my a/w
my intercooler is aluminum so please hold the salt
yes it might take a larger amount of nitrous than i anticipate.. how can i figure out how much.
again i do not have acess to e85 nor run the car on straight alcohol.
my tubo is a pte-88, i have space limitations
my intercooler is aluminum so please hold the salt
yes it might take a larger amount of nitrous than i anticipate.. how can i figure out how much.
again i do not have acess to e85 nor run the car on straight alcohol.
my tubo is a pte-88, i have space limitations
I would swap your turbo to a sx80,85, or 88 in a t4 with the race cover and the smallest turbo is good to 1500 hp. Maybe Dr Turbo can chime in on the benefits of a turbo swap. The PTE88 is outdated already.