Fueling & Injection Fuel Pumps | Injectors | Rails | Regulators | Tanks

-8 feed/-6return--1000whp?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-05-2009, 10:43 AM
  #1  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default -8 feed/-6return--1000whp?

Im setting up my fuel system to support around 1000whp. I have the magnafuel 625pump, aeromotive 13109 and LS1 speed rails. Will a -8 feet/-6 return be enough to support my goal of 1000whp?
Old 12-05-2009, 10:51 AM
  #2  
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (3)
 
MY99TAWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Kelowna,BC
Posts: 4,719
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

I have a lonnies intank twin pump with 8 an feed and 6 an return, bigger rails and adjustable reg.It can feed 1000rwhp.

If was going to go much higher would have gone to custom tank, big single pump and bigger lines.
Old 12-05-2009, 11:37 AM
  #3  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (-1)
 
lt1badbird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 510
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i went with -10 feed and -8 return just so i know i never have to worry
Old 12-05-2009, 11:43 AM
  #4  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (16)
 
The Beast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Fort Wayne, IN
Posts: 363
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm running twin in-tank modified Denso Supra pumps (390LPH each), -10 feed, Summit fuel rails, -8 crossover, Mallory boost referenced FPR, and -8 return. I wanted to leave some room to grow if I switched to e85 or an LSx block in the future.
Old 12-05-2009, 12:51 PM
  #5  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Does anyone know if the Ford MS 80# SD injectors with the EV6 connectors fit the factor LS2 intake/rail setup?They look longer in the pictures than my stock injectors. I have speed inc rails with the stock manifold. Thanks.
Old 12-05-2009, 12:57 PM
  #6  
Coal Mining Director
iTrader: (17)
 
onfire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,442
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Snyper
Im setting up my fuel system to support around 1000whp. I have the magnafuel 625pump, aeromotive 13109 and LS1 speed rails. Will a -8 feet/-6 return be enough to support my goal of 1000whp?
At 58psi it's wayyy big enough. Biggest design concern is a good regulator that will control prssure but not become too much of a restriction at those power levels. Weldon is one good choice.
Old 12-05-2009, 01:48 PM
  #7  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by onfire
At 58psi it's wayyy big enough. Biggest design concern is a good regulator that will control prssure but not become too much of a restriction at those power levels. Weldon is one good choice.
13109 is too small for the pump? Id think the more hp the smaller the regulator no? Not as much fuel would be returning back to the engine.
Old 12-05-2009, 01:56 PM
  #8  
9 Second Club
iTrader: (37)
 
cablebandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 7,903
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

i got twin walbros....stock feed pro-products regulator...950rwhp no probs
Old 12-05-2009, 03:00 PM
  #9  
Coal Mining Director
iTrader: (17)
 
onfire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,442
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Snyper
13109 is too small for the pump? Id think the more hp the smaller the regulator no? Not as much fuel would be returning back to the engine.
I don't have any opinions good or bad about Aeromotive. The higher the hp the better the regulator should be becuse you are returning a large volume of fuel back to the tank due to the dual pumps or single pump in the tank required to flow a great volume. Some regulators have a small return orifice size that can become a problem if they are not sized for big hp. (+1000rwhp is pretty big).
Old 12-05-2009, 03:07 PM
  #10  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Well the Aeromotive has a -6 in/out setup. And since the return line is going to be a -6 id assume it would be good enough? I know the manufacturer of the twin 255 drop in bucket recommends using a -8 feed -6 return with this regulator...since the magnafuel will be feeding the engine with a -8 the same should apply no?
Old 12-05-2009, 05:02 PM
  #11  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
99Z28LS1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 1,886
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

This is a good thread, I too have the -8 feed and -6 return, I have another 255 to add to the tank, but I'm absolutely stuck on which regulator to buy
Old 12-05-2009, 05:06 PM
  #12  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (17)
 
bad6as's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,796
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

same power lever im going to use as -8 feed and -6 return
Old 12-05-2009, 05:29 PM
  #13  
EPP
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
EPP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I've seen problems with the fuel getting hot when on long trips with a large fuel pump, it seems to help when making the return line at least as large as the feed line. Bob


Old 12-05-2009, 05:47 PM
  #14  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (17)
 
bad6as's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,796
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

ok well ill do 8 feed and return, makes it easier when ordering fittings
Old 12-05-2009, 06:02 PM
  #15  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

hmmmm
Old 12-05-2009, 06:29 PM
  #16  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (17)
 
bad6as's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,796
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

do feed and return, would 30' be enough? 25' ?
Old 12-05-2009, 06:41 PM
  #17  
Coal Mining Director
iTrader: (17)
 
onfire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,442
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

That's why I run 2 Bosch pumps. Just run one on the street and both on the track. Pressure/volume/engine heat makes the heat. If I run one pump, the gas tank stays cool. If I run both pumps and a small amount of fuel...you can feel the tank heating up since you are recirculating the fuel too much. If I ran a single large pump, I would run a full tank all the time on the street to dilute the heat and keep the fuel cycle down. Big difference in 15 gallons vs 5 gallons in cycle heat.

Pressure rise is coming from the regulator....not the return line....unless it's a carb system at 6psi.

The AN inlet/outlet on a regulator is not the restriction to worry about...it's the design orifice inside the regulator....make sure the regulator is designed for the amount of fuel you plan to flow through it.





Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
I've seen problems with the fuel getting hot when on long trips with a large fuel pump, it seems to help when making the return line at least as large as the feed line. Bob


Old 12-05-2009, 06:47 PM
  #18  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think im going to switch to the magnafuel regulator that goes with the pump. It has -8in/-6out
Old 12-10-2009, 07:19 AM
  #19  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (11)
 
No Juice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Minnesota Corn Fields
Posts: 2,451
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by cablebandit
i got twin walbros....stock feed pro-products regulator...950rwhp no probs
You're using the stock hard feed line correct? Thats a -6 right?

What are you using for a return?
Old 12-15-2009, 10:59 AM
  #20  
10 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (27)
 
Snyper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Well right now my goals are ultimately 650-850whp on the street and maybe somewhere down the road shoot for that magical number.... I want to do a -10 to the pump then -8 to the rails then -6 back but I don't think Im going to be able to fit the -10 anywhere...the pump already has to sit half way up under my driver seat on the frail "rail"


Quick Reply: -8 feed/-6return--1000whp?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:13 AM.