160lb injectors, high vs low impedance
06-29-2011, 03:56 AM
#41
7 Second Club
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
if you have a car that requires 2200cc injectors then you are making big power and generally have a nice large cam that will idle like **** anyway and a injector that is dynamically flowed is not going to make any difference,
it sounds a lot like you work at T1 or maybe are tony him self....
06-29-2011, 07:24 AM
#42
Staging Lane
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ny
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
what im saying is 99% of people in the world will not be able to tell the difference between injectors that are flow matched and injectors that are dynamically flowed.
if you have a car that requires 2200cc injectors then you are making big power and generally have a nice large cam that will idle like **** anyway and a injector that is dynamically flowed is not going to make any difference,
it sounds a lot like you work at T1 or maybe are tony him self....
if you have a car that requires 2200cc injectors then you are making big power and generally have a nice large cam that will idle like **** anyway and a injector that is dynamically flowed is not going to make any difference,
it sounds a lot like you work at T1 or maybe are tony him self....
Last edited by 98transbum; 06-29-2011 at 07:30 AM.
06-29-2011, 09:54 AM
#43
On The Tree
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Goodyear, az
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
what im saying is 99% of people in the world will not be able to tell the difference between injectors that are flow matched and injectors that are dynamically flowed.
if you have a car that requires 2200cc injectors then you are making big power and generally have a nice large cam that will idle like **** anyway and a injector that is dynamically flowed is not going to make any difference
if you have a car that requires 2200cc injectors then you are making big power and generally have a nice large cam that will idle like **** anyway and a injector that is dynamically flowed is not going to make any difference
I'm not sure I agree with this. Plenty of tuners swear by those injectors. Secondly, Im not sure what you mean by "big power" but a friend of mine has a 700hp turbo LS1. It's got a stock Z06 cam and ID injectors. It idles like stock and has near stock driveability. This is mostly due to the excellent low PW matching.
I don't work at T1, and I'm not Tony. I work in the Aerospace field. I am merely trying to educate the public on a good product. I use ID850's in my RX7 and I believe in the product, that's all.
06-29-2011, 09:59 AM
#44
On The Tree
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Goodyear, az
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
onefastrx7turbo calls me dip **** on line like a real punk. Come to Brooklyn I'd love to meet you. LOL. The real deal is all those graphs on their website are made up, they are not a screenshot of a real test. Only a figment of their imagination. Anyone with a computer can make anything look real as you want. Its A SCAM. There is no such thing as dynamically balanced injectors, They just want you to think it. How would you know anyway since they are the only company in the world that can check them. And why do you answer all the posts like you are ID. Another scam.
It's obvious that you will never understand what we are talking about. You probably lack the mental capacity or you have reading comprehension problems. Either way, I'm done trying to educate you on this subject. You can continue to attack me if you want, whatever.
Last edited by onefastrx7turbo; 06-29-2011 at 11:46 AM.
06-29-2011, 11:40 AM
#45
Staging Lane
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ny
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ok, we get it. You don't know **** about injectors, and you don't know what you're talking about. You don't have to keep making statements proving that you have no idea what you're talking about; we got that on your second post. Also, no one (especially me) gives a **** that your from brooklyn. No one cares. The fact that you think it's a scam only proves your dipshit lol...Each post you type only makes it more obvious.
It's obvious that you will never understand what we are talking about. You probably lack the mental capacity or you have reading comprehension problems. Either way, I'm done trying to educate you on this subject. You can continue to attack me if you want, whatever.
It's obvious that you will never understand what we are talking about. You probably lack the mental capacity or you have reading comprehension problems. Either way, I'm done trying to educate you on this subject. You can continue to attack me if you want, whatever.
06-29-2011, 08:36 PM
#49
I have tuned multiple sets of the 160lb Bosch injectors from FIC and they dial in great with no idle issues. If you truly believe that ID's are worth the premium I'm not going to stop you but I might be tempted to let you in on the secret that it's not necessary to spend that much money to get a clean idle with a big injector.
06-30-2011, 07:01 PM
#51
On The Tree
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If it doesn't look like this, it's not the correct data.
http://www.injectordynamics.com/ID20...03-29-2011.xls
Even if it does look like this, the injectors are only matched at static flow.
Hopefully they have a good return policy.
I'm sure you will still make safe/awesome power with FIC's since their upper range flow should be decently close.
When you have a real low pulsewidth dynamic matching really makes the difference. Read this:... and if anyone thinks this is propaganda, that person should switch back to a carb.
Straight from T1/ID forum
There are lots of rumors floating around (put out there by other guys that sell injectors) that other people have the same injectors as our ID2000, they're just not matched by the same process. This is correct, except the rest of the rumor is that the consistency from Bosch is so good that our dynamic matching process doesn't have any benefit. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth.
This is a deviation vs. pulsewidth chart for every 10th injector out of a batch. You can see that while static flow variance is pretty good, there is quite a spread at 2msec pulsewidth, where much of the life of the injector is spent and where you really see and feel a difference from cylinder to cylinder variations. About a 2% spread at static flow (which is where most people have the ability to test halfway accurately) and as much as a 13% spread at 2msec. Do you think a 13% variance from cylinder to cylinder at idle and part throttle will make a difference in how a car runs?
Here's a matched set of 6. It looks like there are only 4 lines on the graph, but there are actually 6, some are just so similar they pretty much overlay.
I'm not here to start a fight but some people just need to spend a few hours and do some reading.
06-30-2011, 07:09 PM
#52
Ive yet to see any info that doesnt come from ID or T1. Thanks anyway RX.
I really dont like the mentality of someone stating that you have to buy the absolute best product at the highest price and everything else is garbage. Where would we be if everyone did that?
Im going to keep saving hundereds of $ and buying FIC's products until I see evidence otherwise.
I really dont like the mentality of someone stating that you have to buy the absolute best product at the highest price and everything else is garbage. Where would we be if everyone did that?
Im going to keep saving hundereds of $ and buying FIC's products until I see evidence otherwise.
Last edited by LS1NOVA; 06-30-2011 at 07:17 PM.
06-30-2011, 07:31 PM
#53
On The Tree
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Great! Now you see what I'm talking about!
Why can't other injector companies supply real world data for their products?
Would you buy an engine from an engine builder who can't supply a dyno chart?
Didn't think so.
Why can't other injector companies supply real world data for their products?
Would you buy an engine from an engine builder who can't supply a dyno chart?
Didn't think so.
06-30-2011, 08:04 PM
#54
On The Tree
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Goodyear, az
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ive yet to see any info that doesnt come from ID or T1. Thanks anyway RX.
I really dont like the mentality of someone stating that you have to buy the absolute best product at the highest price and everything else is garbage. Where would we be if everyone did that?
Im going to keep saving hundereds of $ and buying FIC's products until I see evidence otherwise.
I really dont like the mentality of someone stating that you have to buy the absolute best product at the highest price and everything else is garbage. Where would we be if everyone did that?
Im going to keep saving hundereds of $ and buying FIC's products until I see evidence otherwise.
Let me translate LS1Nova's post:No other injector vendor has any data even remotely similar to ID/T1...it all comes from them! I asked my vendor and they directed me to the ID website!
I'm going to continue to buy the cheapest available product from the lowest bidder, and why not? It's what the government does!
06-30-2011, 08:42 PM
#56
11 Second Club
iTrader: (17)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,796
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have fic 103lb injectors. on par with the ID1000's.They are high Z and flow 103 lbs at 58 psi. After Frost got the injector tables right it drives fine. I have a base pressure of 51 psi, with boost referance. I use a dual nozzle meth kit (10 and 15 nozzles) at 14lbs boost i see about 80% duty cycle and im running a little bit rich.
