NicD

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I have done back to back tests of the ID injectors vs the FIC and the fact remains that they really are the same injector and ID just bins them a little bit tighter. The difference I am talking about is on the order of a couple of percent at idle at the most, and it's been that way with every set I have tested from the 95s, 160s, and 200s. If you think it's worth that extra G to have something that is a couple of percent better at the smallest pulsewidths than go for it, but don't sit here and bang away on your keyboard when you have done no personal testing and only repeat what IDs hype department spits out.

I generated my own offset data in testing as well for the FIC and ID injectors and guess what, it damn near matches what ID came up with and supplies with every injector set so let's not pretend it's impossible to back calculate injector offset data and get damn close even with big injectors.

onefastrx7turbo

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Oh, well, that settles it! Why didn't you say something earlier NicD??!?!

NicD

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What, talking about my personal experiences with both companies BOSCH injectors isn't good enough? I figured it would actually add some facts to the conversation instead of your conjecture based upon some articles written up by ID's hype department. Again, same injectors just binned slightly tighter but now that FIC is also binning based upon dynamic pulsewidth I would have to say that it's only getting tighter.

onefastrx7turbo

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ID's "hype department" ? Is there a phone number or a link to their hype department? Not sure what you mean here. I do know this much, If IDs were cheaper than the competitors, we would be having conversations about how no one wants to pay more for "same thing" and to just buy those. So in reality, it only comes down to cost.

MIGHTYMOUSE

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we are all talking about the same BOSCH Part # 0280158821 yes?

if so then without giving away any secrets, what physical changes are made by ID?

NicD

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You obviously nutswing the hell out of ID which is funny because you haven't done any testing yourself to see the difference between them and the others. Myself and plenty of others on the internet have and I'll leave it at that because I am not going to argue with somebody on the internet who has no real experience with the products in question.

onefastrx7turbo

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Same part number. I don't know any secrets or what they do to them. All I know is they found out they weren't reliable injectors and chose to discontinue all sales of them. From what I gathered, they offered the owners their money back or an exchange or something like that.

MIGHTYMOUSE

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i am asking if the above is the same bosch 2200cc core that ID, FIC, and everybody else sells as their premium all fuel h/o h/z injector

onefastrx7turbo

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stay classy, Chandler

ls2 goat

Bump for an answer to that. I'm in the process of dialing mine in now. Got these 160's on a 427 F1c with a beck sheet metal. Last thing I need is fueling issues.

NicD

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I believe it was only a heat issue related to the EVOs and a few others that have the injectors buried in the motor where they can seriously heatsoak. I've never seen it or heard of it happening on LS motors.

onefastrx7turbo

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Yes same injector. They will have the same problem if the conditions are replicated.

ls2 goat

Thanks Nic. I think I'm going to give Jon a shout.

onefastrx7turbo

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This would hold true if the ONLY people who bought ID1600's were EVO's.... Just sayin

NicD

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Yeah just give him a buzz and I'm sure he would take care of you. Just because we haven't seen the problems in the LS community with the way the injectors sit on our motors doesn't mean that it still can't happen if they get hot somehow. Having done multiple sets of the 160s even during the summer time here in AZ I haven't been able to replicate the problem even after city driving for 30 minutes, fuel trims were still locked in like they were from a cold start.

ls2 goat

Good to hear. You running E85 or regular 93/91?

NicD

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I'm running E85 now but have run pump also and I have the 95s and 120s in my vehicles. The other vehicles that I've tuned that had the 160s and 200s were on E85 as well.

nick y

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I dont post much here but have used injectors fron Jon@FIC for some time and has always stood behind his product. Call me a nut swinger but if he has always been there for me why shouldnt I? Enough of that, I too read on the Evo boards that there were issues with ID 160. I ran Jons 160 without issue but did upgrade to his 2200 as stepped up my turbos. Anyway ID injectors arent the same as Jon's anyway...right
ID 1000 and 2200 arent the same as Jon's 1000 and 2200...correct????????

ZL1Killa

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isn't this usually how EVERYONE finds out about a bad part... a company or people either research or troubleshoot and low and behold the chicken has salmonella ...holy **** never woulda thought.

then guess what...chicken is recalled and newer chicken is put out that doesn't have salmonella.

I didn't want to let the tiger out of the bag, but as I don't have ID1000, I can't compare ID1000 to FIC1000 BOTH BOSCH. HOWEVER, I'm going to compare ID725 to FIC725 BOTH BOSCH.


NEITHER manufacturer the physical injector (call me out if I'm wrong), they may add a part or something to them, but NEITHER manufacturer them, they SALE them.

Racetronix

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