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Old 01-17-2019, 04:25 PM
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Hello,

Kind of an old thread, so I apologize to bring it back from the dead but I'm sure WS6store may appreciate the bump.

Some of the customers posting here mentioned 80psi at the rails vs 60psi that they're "supposed" to have. My questions is:

What is the downside of having more pressure at the rails? What's "wrong" with 20 more psi at the rails? This is a genuine question. I just figured more pressure = better? (to a reasonable extent obviously)

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Old 01-17-2019, 04:32 PM
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Too high a pressure results in over-fueling. AFR's go pig-rich.
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma View Post
Too high a pressure results in over-fueling. AFR's go pig-rich.
Thanks for your response. But, I thought that would be controlled by the fuel injector itself?

I didn't realize that actual pressure at the rail affected the amount of fuel the injector would push. I thought that as long as there was "enough" fuel for the injector, whether that was 20 or 100psi, that it would still only inject the amount of fuel necessary.

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Old 01-17-2019, 04:44 PM
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To follow up to his question.. what's the best way to work around that high fuel pressure problem. Can it be tuned around? I did kind of notice my fuel pressure drops to around 55-60psi after running for a while though. But the engine runs rich just about all the time except at idle after warmed up.
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:43 PM
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Think of the injector like a water hose with nozzle; what's gonna move more water, 25psi line pressure or 50psi? Injectors don't control anything. THEY are controlled by ECU, which thinks there is a certain fuel pressure. If that changes, fuel delivery is affected.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma View Post
Think of the injector like a water hose with nozzle; what's gonna move more water, 25psi line pressure or 50psi? Injectors don't control anything. THEY are controlled by ECU, which thinks there is a certain fuel pressure. If that changes, fuel delivery is affected.
Was that in response to my question? I know the injectors are controlled by the ecu, I was wondering if a tune can compensate for the extra pressure/fuel so the mixture if not rich. Like maybe command the injectors to open less frequently or something.

I have the basic slight intake mods, which is just a lid and opened up intake path under the filter. My fuel trims are just about perfect at idle but go rich to about 9% on throttle. I don't know if it's the intake mods introducing more fuel than the ecu can compensate for or the injectors putting out to much fuel to match the extra air the ecu MIGHT be seeing, or just the injectors putting out to much fuel because of the pump. That's why I was wondering if the pressure can be tuned around.
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You mentioned injectors controlling fuel flow. My response was to that in that injectors do not control fuel flow, as the injectors themselves are controlled by the ECU. The ECU CAN be tuned to a particular pressure, but it would be better to address WHY the pressure is too high, rather than adapt to a wrong pressure.
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It can be tuned around.
Most lf the higher pressure now that we see os from improper install, customer not completely removing the fpr housing, or a pinched fuel line inside module.
Adding a restriction after the filter reg will artificially increase the pressure also. that is why the instructions do not say to put the brass fitting where its pictured and everyone thinks is where ot should be. it doesnt go there and is likely the other part of the higher pressure issue.

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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
It can be tuned around.
Most lf the higher pressure now that we see os from improper install, customer not completely removing the fpr housing, or a pinched fuel line inside module.
Adding a restriction after the filter reg will artificially increase the pressure also. that is why the instructions do not say to put the brass fitting where its pictured and everyone thinks is where ot should be. it doesnt go there and is likely the other part of the higher pressure issue.
Do you have pics of the proper install? Do they come with your kit? I'm going to be ordering the racetronix 340/hotwire kit from your store shortly and looks like I will need the c5 kit also.
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I do not have a pic yet. i will soon hopefully.
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I do not have a pic yet. i will soon hopefully.
I think this is part of the problem right here, no one has been able to get an official picture of how it should look installed and going by the instructions doesn't seem to work for everyone that has tried. I know I tried very hard to follow the instructions exactly when I did mine but it would not have worked and mine ended up looking just like the only only picture anyone had supplied. I also know I don't have any kinks in my fuel lines because I ended up replacing my nylon lines when I originally thought a slight kink in the return line might have been the cause of my high pressure, turns out it wasn't.

I believe at some point too it was identified that there may have been a bad batch of filter/regulators causing the high pressure?

It would be really nice if official pictures can be provided and put the issue to rest

Edit 1: Looks like I missed some updates to this thread and ws6store is using wix filters now.

edit 2: it's also good to note some people having high pressure have the hot wire kit as well so that could be part of it all too.

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Got the kit installed on my car and although I couldn't figure out how to exactly do it (I have extra pieces) It's in and works great! was 68lbs and now down to 58lbs. And I'm using a Racetronix 340lph and a hotwire kit. So it looks like the wix filters may have made a difference.
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Got the kit installed on my car and although I couldn't figure out how to exactly do it (I have extra pieces) It's in and works great! was 68lbs and now down to 58lbs. And I'm using a Racetronix 340lph and a hotwire kit. So it looks like the wix filters may have made a difference.
Can we get a picture of your install?
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:04 AM
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I have this kit installed like some of the previous posters. As far as I can tell you cant install it like the instructions tell you to due to space constraints. I just cant understand how Ws6store has no pictures of how this is supposed to be installed if they developed it and sell it. Not trying to bang them. Just wondering.

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