Anyone notice on gas pumps above the nozzle slot, theres a sticker that says 10% ethanol, the sunoco I go to, just put all those stickers on the pumps, what is it, sometime to help with emissions?

 

Ethanol

the intoxicating agent in fermented and distilled liquors; used pure or denatured as a solvent or in medicines and colognes and cleaning solutions and rocket fuel; proposed as a renewable clean-burning additive to gasoline [syn: ethyl alcohol, fermentation alcohol, grain alcohol]

 

here in AZ it's 10% ethanol from november through march, and 15% ether from april through october. and the best we have is 91 octane.

 

93 octane here 10% ethanol

 

My mom is operating the largest ethanol cracker in the world right now....

 

ethanol is one of the "alternative fuel sources." it burns quicker than gasoline, but its cheaper to make, so gas prices drop but your fuel mileage might not be quite as good as 100% gasoline. you end up paying as much in the end though. they dont sell ethanol premium where i am, so i never worry about it, and i avoid putting it in my truck. i go either regular, or premium, here only the plus has 10% ethanol.

 

Ford just started showing off their new escape that runs on 85% ethonol. Said that it gets about 20-25% less miles per gallon but it ends up being a lot cheaper due to the wide variety of sources (corn, sugar, etc.)

Personally, I think it is great. If more people/vehicles would use it, it is that much less oil that we would have to use. I know everyone using 10% or more ethonol wouldnt transfer to a 10%+ savings but at least it would keep prices a bit lower and should be a little more stable at the pump

 

Here in Nebraska they have 10% priced between regular and premium. The octane is between them, as well. Back home in Missouri it costs more than premium, if I remember right.

I remember hearing that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it saves, but I haven't looked into it. Regardless, it helps the air, helps the farmers, helps the employees of the ethanol plants, and screws OPEC. I'm all for anything that screws OPEC and still keeps my cars & truck on the road.

 

Dont forget you loose MPG. 10% blend is all over here in South Dakota, but I never use it because I have noticed looses in my mileage.

 

I didn't see any difference. When I try I can get between 19.7 and 20.1 with premium or 10%.

 

I always look at the pump for this, or similar stickers that
declare "oxygenated" (of which ethanol is only one) and
leave if I see it. I've had a couple of poor performance /
ping experiences with that p!ss-water.

 

We've had the 10% ethanol fuel here for as long back as I can remember... way to spread the fuel supply out and cheap way to raise the octane slightly I beleive

The E85 stuff is cool but until the infrastructure is setup around the country it won't be any cheaper.... unless E85 is 20-30% cheaper than gasoline, doesn't make sense to buy it.

 

I have

 

Ethanol sucks... we've had it here in iowa for years makes the gas a few cents cheaper but idc id rather pay more for better gas ie.(without ethanol)

 

Use mobil/Exxon gas. They dont add ethanol. It must be marked on the pump.
Sunoco has stickers on theirs "10% Ethanol" BAD ...PERIOD.
Also I have been adding 1 once of Pure Acetone per 10 Gallons of gas.
You can get it at Hone Depot or any hardware store. Seems to help.
I am going to bump it up to 2 onces to see what happens.
http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/ne...900069_Acetone/

 

One county over and the pumps are zero ethanol.

We try to fill up all our gas tanks there.

I saw a parade of Ferraris go to the Amoco there, they know what's up

 

Yes,
This is what we should really be about, keeping the economy's money here instead of giving it to the prince of Abu dabi!!!!

Ok, so we get 3-5% less fuel economy. But here we go, if we don't switch to using more ethanol now, the price of gas is only going to go up, which is going to drive the cost of ethanol up.
So the sooner the contry can become mostly independant with ethanol, we can keep more money in our economy and become stronger as a nation.

Yes, I think this is possible because, I am not sure how many barrels of oil are brought into the country a day, but it is stagering. And, when the gasoline starts becoming harder to find, the price will only go up.

The other thing we need to consider on the price of gas is that it is only going to go up. Two reasons, supply and demand. The demand is going to become tremendous in a few years because China is becoming more of a technology driven country and with the largest population in the world, they will begin needing just as much gas as we do for cars.
This means that there is going to be a third more people to exhaust the supply af a non-renewable resource.
I forget what I was watching, but it was kind of funny, but real. There was a british engineer that said something to this effect. The United States always finds the best way to handle the problem, after all the resources have been depleted that is.

I think we are onto a great thing here. We could argue all day long about taking more energy to make it, but when it comes down to it, ethanol is renewable, gasoline is not. Unless someone can get their flux capacitor working and travel ahead in time to bring the replacement for the internal combusiton engine. Or go back in time and make sure more dinosaurs to die in specific spots so more gasoline can be stocked up!!!!!!

 

To clarify:
Ethanol burns SLOWER, however it has about 25% less energy per gallon. You end up running at about 23% less mpg on pure ethanol or something like that.

Many "american" cars are set to run off E-85 which is 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline. Its great in many aspects. It burns cleaner, renewable, reduced dependancy on foriegn oil, grown in AMERICA, and for us gearheads, its 105 octane!

Most of your 99+ GM suv's and MANY MANY other ford/DCX vehicles can run E-85. I suggest you do whenver possible. The only reason other cars cant is because alcohol is corrosive to certain metals and fuel systems are usually stainless steel. Also, you need 25% more fuel flow when running E-85. I'm pretty sure GM vehicles detect the percentage of "E" via hydrometer in the gas tank and then just change the tune. there is some site (i'm sure google can find it) that tells you if your can can run E-85.

If you are lucky enough to get E-85 whever you want and are rebuilding an engine, go with high compression to save a few bucks (+mpg) and make some power through the powerband.

We could honestly convert this whole country to E-85 and give the middle east a gaint middle finger overnight (in terms of national changes). However, since most politicians own oil stocks, dont go out investing in stainless steel stocks just yet. Pretty sad we have a quasi-solution to one of the biggest problems in our country's history (our most hated enemies have the most valuable resource known to mankind and it is our lifeline) and no one seems to notice.

The middle east could become africa (big problems, no one cares) if we just spent the money we are spending on the "war" to convert to E-85. Here is a good way to solve the problem: Make oil nearly useless!

 

sounds about right. you should drop about 2%