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LIckeyman, unfortunately, unless they make ethanol close by to you, say within a couple of hundred miles, you are SOL. Ethanol can't be put in a pipeline and something that has to be shipped via truck would be to expensive for Wally world to commit to.
Runn, we currently have stock cars with 5.3L's running E-98, sprint cars one with a LS3 and another with a 427 L92 setup running it. We also sponsor a sprint car series in Ohio that uses 5.3L's running on E-98. Ethanol is great for a race car, especially in the E-98 form. For those that don't know, E-98 for us is 98% ethanol with 2% Sunoco 110 leaded, bypasses the gas tax laws.
Runn, we currently have stock cars with 5.3L's running E-98, sprint cars one with a LS3 and another with a 427 L92 setup running it. We also sponsor a sprint car series in Ohio that uses 5.3L's running on E-98. Ethanol is great for a race car, especially in the E-98 form. For those that don't know, E-98 for us is 98% ethanol with 2% Sunoco 110 leaded, bypasses the gas tax laws.
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Almost all ethanol in sweden comes from Brazil...
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Don't remember if this is posted somewhere or not, but here's a site to find e85 in the U.S.A. and some in Canada: http://www.e85refueling.com/
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I am a newbie to this site, but have been paying attention to the wacko's that say the CO2 from alcohol is better that from gasoline. That is total baloney!!! Carbon emissions are carbon emisions NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM!!!
Alcohol burns at a slower rate than gasoline. That is a fact so you need to run a little more timing with the alcohol.
The reason E85 is not E100 or something else is that alcohol will not vaporize in near or below freezing weather so the gas is in there to get the car to start and the 15% gas is a good compromise.
Henry F**d wanted his model T to use alcohol but the people in congress that owned oil stocks stopped that
Tests were done a few years ago on the best source for ethanol and the best they found was KUDZU not corn but the senators and reps from the corn belt had to make their farmers happy
Man is responsible for about 3%-thats THREE PERCENT or 3 out of 100 percent of all carbon in the atmosphere. Cow flatulence (farts) are as bad as transportation. If we cut transportation emissions by 50% and transportation causes 20% of the carbon emissions, then we will make a total decresase in emissions of less than .3% or three tenths of 1 percent-WOW THAT WILL REALY SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE
Alcohol burns at a slower rate than gasoline. That is a fact so you need to run a little more timing with the alcohol.
The reason E85 is not E100 or something else is that alcohol will not vaporize in near or below freezing weather so the gas is in there to get the car to start and the 15% gas is a good compromise.
Henry F**d wanted his model T to use alcohol but the people in congress that owned oil stocks stopped that
Tests were done a few years ago on the best source for ethanol and the best they found was KUDZU not corn but the senators and reps from the corn belt had to make their farmers happy
Man is responsible for about 3%-thats THREE PERCENT or 3 out of 100 percent of all carbon in the atmosphere. Cow flatulence (farts) are as bad as transportation. If we cut transportation emissions by 50% and transportation causes 20% of the carbon emissions, then we will make a total decresase in emissions of less than .3% or three tenths of 1 percent-WOW THAT WILL REALY SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE
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I am a newbie to this site, but have been paying attention to the wacko's that say the CO2 from alcohol is better that from gasoline. That is total baloney!!! Carbon emissions are carbon emisions NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM!!!
Alcohol burns at a slower rate than gasoline. That is a fact so you need to run a little more timing with the alcohol.
The reason E85 is not E100 or something else is that alcohol will not vaporize in near or below freezing weather so the gas is in there to get the car to start and the 15% gas is a good compromise.
Henry F**d wanted his model T to use alcohol but the people in congress that owned oil stocks stopped that
Tests were done a few years ago on the best source for ethanol and the best they found was KUDZU not corn but the senators and reps from the corn belt had to make their farmers happy
Man is responsible for about 3%-thats THREE PERCENT or 3 out of 100 percent of all carbon in the atmosphere. Cow flatulence (farts) are as bad as transportation. If we cut transportation emissions by 50% and transportation causes 20% of the carbon emissions, then we will make a total decresase in emissions of less than .3% or three tenths of 1 percent-WOW THAT WILL REALY SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE
Alcohol burns at a slower rate than gasoline. That is a fact so you need to run a little more timing with the alcohol.
The reason E85 is not E100 or something else is that alcohol will not vaporize in near or below freezing weather so the gas is in there to get the car to start and the 15% gas is a good compromise.
Henry F**d wanted his model T to use alcohol but the people in congress that owned oil stocks stopped that
Tests were done a few years ago on the best source for ethanol and the best they found was KUDZU not corn but the senators and reps from the corn belt had to make their farmers happy
Man is responsible for about 3%-thats THREE PERCENT or 3 out of 100 percent of all carbon in the atmosphere. Cow flatulence (farts) are as bad as transportation. If we cut transportation emissions by 50% and transportation causes 20% of the carbon emissions, then we will make a total decresase in emissions of less than .3% or three tenths of 1 percent-WOW THAT WILL REALY SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE
i feel you on that but i think its a good idea as far as a fuel alternative to try to get our power more from home and less from overseas.... also as far as performance, it has some great advantages......
yea gas 93 over here is about 3.10 in florida when i was in cali it wass about the same too,
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I am a newbie to this site, but have been paying attention to the wacko's that say the CO2 from alcohol is better that from gasoline. That is total baloney!!! Carbon emissions are carbon emisions NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM!!!
Alcohol burns at a slower rate than gasoline. That is a fact so you need to run a little more timing with the alcohol.
The reason E85 is not E100 or something else is that alcohol will not vaporize in near or below freezing weather so the gas is in there to get the car to start and the 15% gas is a good compromise.
Henry F**d wanted his model T to use alcohol but the people in congress that owned oil stocks stopped that
Tests were done a few years ago on the best source for ethanol and the best they found was KUDZU not corn but the senators and reps from the corn belt had to make their farmers happy
Man is responsible for about 3%-thats THREE PERCENT or 3 out of 100 percent of all carbon in the atmosphere. Cow flatulence (farts) are as bad as transportation. If we cut transportation emissions by 50% and transportation causes 20% of the carbon emissions, then we will make a total decresase in emissions of less than .3% or three tenths of 1 percent-WOW THAT WILL REALY SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE
Alcohol burns at a slower rate than gasoline. That is a fact so you need to run a little more timing with the alcohol.
The reason E85 is not E100 or something else is that alcohol will not vaporize in near or below freezing weather so the gas is in there to get the car to start and the 15% gas is a good compromise.
Henry F**d wanted his model T to use alcohol but the people in congress that owned oil stocks stopped that
Tests were done a few years ago on the best source for ethanol and the best they found was KUDZU not corn but the senators and reps from the corn belt had to make their farmers happy
Man is responsible for about 3%-thats THREE PERCENT or 3 out of 100 percent of all carbon in the atmosphere. Cow flatulence (farts) are as bad as transportation. If we cut transportation emissions by 50% and transportation causes 20% of the carbon emissions, then we will make a total decresase in emissions of less than .3% or three tenths of 1 percent-WOW THAT WILL REALY SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE
Ive seen other parts of the world use E90 and E95. so it can be done, but maybe not in our cold climate. :edit: Ive READ about other parts of the world. not seen. ok, got that straight.
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Anyone that has run alcohol as a race fuel can tell you it will not start in cold weather unless you fire it with a little gas. The reason is the alky will not vaporize untill a certain temp is reached, hence the gas to start the process. Adding some gas to the mix makes it fire even when cold.
If you read Hot Rod magazine, all the front runners in the pump gas HP shootouts now run E-85 because of the octane.
I am all for the E-85 and the benefits it brings, but to think we can make any huge difference with this and stop using fossile fuels is dreaming.
If you talk to the industry experts and NOT THE POLITICIANS and far left wingers (Al Gore, Greanpeace, etc.) they will tell you we have enough oil to last hundreds of years, we just have to be allowed to drill for it.
Coal fired power plants are our biggest polutors and yet we can't build neuclear power plants even though several European countries are now almost all neuclear and have been proven safe.
Green is the new religion and they want us to not use anything!!
The head of Greenpeace has voiced dismay that we are too succesful at controling malaria and other diseases
If you read Hot Rod magazine, all the front runners in the pump gas HP shootouts now run E-85 because of the octane.
I am all for the E-85 and the benefits it brings, but to think we can make any huge difference with this and stop using fossile fuels is dreaming.
If you talk to the industry experts and NOT THE POLITICIANS and far left wingers (Al Gore, Greanpeace, etc.) they will tell you we have enough oil to last hundreds of years, we just have to be allowed to drill for it.
Coal fired power plants are our biggest polutors and yet we can't build neuclear power plants even though several European countries are now almost all neuclear and have been proven safe.
Green is the new religion and they want us to not use anything!!
The head of Greenpeace has voiced dismay that we are too succesful at controling malaria and other diseases
"Anyone that has run alcohol as a race fuel can tell you it will not start in cold weather unless you fire it with a little gas. "
but ETHONAL doesnt share alot of the same symptoms METHONAL does. NOT the same thing.
"I am all for the E-85 and the benefits it brings, but to think we can make any huge difference with this and stop using fossile fuels is dreaming."
I dont think anyone is trying to alltogether stop using gasoline. but if we can cut it back 40-50%, then awesome. its been proven that any car can run on E85 if the tuning and fuel systems are tweaked. even in cold weather.
"we have enough oil to last hundreds of years, we just have to be allowed to drill for it."
then why does it cost sooooo much money right now for the oil? also runing out of oil to me, isnt the problem. its the far east countries that hold it over us and have all the control of price and availability. it would be great to only use an amount that we can supply to ourselves.
about the nuclear power plants, do you want one in your back yard? me neither. or several hundred miles away I still wouldnt feel good about it really.
so, whats your beef with E85 anyways? just seems like you got a chip on your shoulder about it? I think the orig. posters intent wasnt anything political or about "saving there country". just informing people of the opportunities E85 allows.
but ETHONAL doesnt share alot of the same symptoms METHONAL does. NOT the same thing.
"I am all for the E-85 and the benefits it brings, but to think we can make any huge difference with this and stop using fossile fuels is dreaming."
I dont think anyone is trying to alltogether stop using gasoline. but if we can cut it back 40-50%, then awesome. its been proven that any car can run on E85 if the tuning and fuel systems are tweaked. even in cold weather.
"we have enough oil to last hundreds of years, we just have to be allowed to drill for it."
then why does it cost sooooo much money right now for the oil? also runing out of oil to me, isnt the problem. its the far east countries that hold it over us and have all the control of price and availability. it would be great to only use an amount that we can supply to ourselves.
about the nuclear power plants, do you want one in your back yard? me neither. or several hundred miles away I still wouldnt feel good about it really.
so, whats your beef with E85 anyways? just seems like you got a chip on your shoulder about it? I think the orig. posters intent wasnt anything political or about "saving there country". just informing people of the opportunities E85 allows.
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I won't comment on this on this thread again as the original idea was about running E-85 in our cars.
I love E-85 and I am building a car a turbocharged '62 Chevy II, with the intention of being able to run both gas and E-85. E-85 is readily available in the Charlotte, NC area but I might not be able to find it everywhere I drive.
For neuclear, I don't care if they build one next to my house!! I worked for Duke Energy when they were just developing the 525 KV power lines for the nuke plants and saw first hand how safe they really are.
If you look at oil prices, oil is stil a bargain compared to the "old days". Inflation has outrun the price of oil for over 50 years. Politicians are why oil is in short supply, not the resources we have. They just won't let us drill anywhere if they can helpl it. Oil gives us freedom to travel which they want us to live in communes and use the light rail, etc. or work in the factory next to our homes.
If they really want us to use altrenative fuels, let us make them from the best source-and it is NOT CORN!!!!! I don't know the best source, but several years ago, one of the southern universities did a study and found a plant that will grow almost anywhere, needs practically no preparation or maintenance, is very hard to kill and grows very quickly has mustiple times the alcohol yield of corn.......KUDZU!!!!!!
I love E-85 and I am building a car a turbocharged '62 Chevy II, with the intention of being able to run both gas and E-85. E-85 is readily available in the Charlotte, NC area but I might not be able to find it everywhere I drive.
For neuclear, I don't care if they build one next to my house!! I worked for Duke Energy when they were just developing the 525 KV power lines for the nuke plants and saw first hand how safe they really are.
If you look at oil prices, oil is stil a bargain compared to the "old days". Inflation has outrun the price of oil for over 50 years. Politicians are why oil is in short supply, not the resources we have. They just won't let us drill anywhere if they can helpl it. Oil gives us freedom to travel which they want us to live in communes and use the light rail, etc. or work in the factory next to our homes.
If they really want us to use altrenative fuels, let us make them from the best source-and it is NOT CORN!!!!! I don't know the best source, but several years ago, one of the southern universities did a study and found a plant that will grow almost anywhere, needs practically no preparation or maintenance, is very hard to kill and grows very quickly has mustiple times the alcohol yield of corn.......KUDZU!!!!!!
I just started running E70 in my 06 sierra. E85 is only here for a few summer months in MN I found out.
I have the HO engine (9.9:1)
I figured that the comp ratio is slightly higher than most trucks, so it may be a good e70/85 vehicle.
I have installed 44#/hr injectors and changed the AFR along with a few other things in the tune.
The truck runs well and I have only been playing with it for a week or so.
No idea what the gains might be, but it simply runs better.
Fuel mileage is down less than 20% and the price difference is more than 20%.
I have a small cam and LTs/ORY. The exhaust doesn't smell nearly as bad now.
Truck started up perfectly at -10F last week too.
Thank you to all the people on the web who have shared real facts about E85 tuning.
I was up and running well immediately after filling up, because of the info shared by those with real world experience.
Too bad 95% of the info out there is total BS from people who think they are experts because they heard something from somewhere once.
PS, my engine doesn't give a rats *** about all the political BS.
Thanks Runn
I have the HO engine (9.9:1)
I figured that the comp ratio is slightly higher than most trucks, so it may be a good e70/85 vehicle.
I have installed 44#/hr injectors and changed the AFR along with a few other things in the tune.
The truck runs well and I have only been playing with it for a week or so.
No idea what the gains might be, but it simply runs better.
Fuel mileage is down less than 20% and the price difference is more than 20%.
I have a small cam and LTs/ORY. The exhaust doesn't smell nearly as bad now.
Truck started up perfectly at -10F last week too.
Thank you to all the people on the web who have shared real facts about E85 tuning.
I was up and running well immediately after filling up, because of the info shared by those with real world experience.
Too bad 95% of the info out there is total BS from people who think they are experts because they heard something from somewhere once.
PS, my engine doesn't give a rats *** about all the political BS.
Thanks Runn
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Ethanol is great and all, but it takes more energy to create than it makes. You might not be burning gas to make the ethanol, but the electricity used to make it probably was made from burning fuel made from crude oil. I'm just saying...
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dude brazil has been running it for decades now, its not about turning all are power resource to corn is about developing alternative fuels that will make oil companies lower their prices and give them competition....if its viable or not the idea is to DEVELOP fuel alternatives we are in a proccess of develping new ideas for our future generation, i dont mean to get corny but the whole idea is to evolve into something better....something will come along the pipeline........and yea half of the **** here is bullshit, ive lived in countries with e85 and it works and its cheaper than gas thats why its used period...
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I'm not saying E85 doesn't work, but if we're using standard electricity to convert it, we're most likely burning fuel. Now get a E85 plant running on solar power and we have a winning idea.
No you cannot(well not just with a tuning program alone)
If you just tune with LS1-Edit, HPTuners, EFILive... You are flaching a set tune for the parameters you set, like AFR, Spark, Fueling... all set for the fuel you are currently using. Any more than 15% Gasoline per 85% Ethonol will change the values needed to have a good tune.
I have heard/read that there is a module that can be purchased that can read the Gasoline to Ethonol ratio, and send that ratio to your pcm, and with the parameters set correctly you could run anything from E100(pure ethonol) to straight Gasoline and anywhere in between. I think I've heard of one from bosch, but I'm sure there are more out there.
I actually would like to find one of these modules, if any of you know where I can find one please let me(all of us) know. I would like to start utilizing E85 but there is only one station within 15 miles of my house and not another in sight, so the module would be the way to go for me.
Hope my info helped Juje
If you just tune with LS1-Edit, HPTuners, EFILive... You are flaching a set tune for the parameters you set, like AFR, Spark, Fueling... all set for the fuel you are currently using. Any more than 15% Gasoline per 85% Ethonol will change the values needed to have a good tune.
I have heard/read that there is a module that can be purchased that can read the Gasoline to Ethonol ratio, and send that ratio to your pcm, and with the parameters set correctly you could run anything from E100(pure ethonol) to straight Gasoline and anywhere in between. I think I've heard of one from bosch, but I'm sure there are more out there.
I actually would like to find one of these modules, if any of you know where I can find one please let me(all of us) know. I would like to start utilizing E85 but there is only one station within 15 miles of my house and not another in sight, so the module would be the way to go for me.
Hope my info helped Juje
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I am not, and don't believe I'll ever be P/C... I don't care if it takes more energy to make E70-85-90-100, I just like that it might be the answer to me not having to buy race fuel at twice (or more) the cost... Cooler IAT's & Higher Octane = More Power... That's the only care I have when it comes to this topic... I'm currently building an E85 fuel system for my car for these reasons... Thanks again for all of the info on both sides... keep it comin'...