4.10's, Too Short
02-25-2010, 06:34 AM
#21
The funny part is I explain CORRECTLY and you still do not get it. I had hoped you had gotten a clue.
You sir, are a lost cause.
Increased gearing helps in ALL apects of these car due to weight and it simple allows the power band to be more useable.
But again, I would expect you to understand. You still think GM Wants you to put ATF fluid in T-56's because it is the best fluid (recommended) but not that its a better business decision to buy in bulk.
Do yourself a favor, sell your car and mod your Cobalt and let a more responsible owner mod your car.
You sir, are a lost cause.
Increased gearing helps in ALL apects of these car due to weight and it simple allows the power band to be more useable.
But again, I would expect you to understand. You still think GM Wants you to put ATF fluid in T-56's because it is the best fluid (recommended) but not that its a better business decision to buy in bulk.
Do yourself a favor, sell your car and mod your Cobalt and let a more responsible owner mod your car.
02-25-2010, 09:51 AM
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02-25-2010, 12:53 PM
#30
seems like a good debate here! and yes your comparing two different worlds there with the cobalt vs. TA, NA vs. turbo. 1BAD_LS1 here has a t70 5.3, th400, and 3.70s in his 9in....and yeah, it wraps pretty fast, but steeper gears will help it take full advange of the power through the rpm range.
i see where itd be a pain for the OP having to shift alot. in reality your engine is doing less work...a wise man once said...."give me a pole long enough, and i can move the world" gear to gear its the same rpm drop as any other gears...2.73s...to 7.xx...just that those lower gears (num higher) will let the engine wrap faster. idk why your having a problem with this....skip gears...you dont HAVE to hit every gear....skip shift is a pain...but why did gm do this? the 1-4 shift...to save on gas. id say itd be respectable for street crusing, up to 40 or so..hell if you need more...do the 5 and 6th gears.
or if your dead set, maybe you get lucky and someone in your area will just trade you a whole rear....straight up!
i see where itd be a pain for the OP having to shift alot. in reality your engine is doing less work...a wise man once said...."give me a pole long enough, and i can move the world" gear to gear its the same rpm drop as any other gears...2.73s...to 7.xx...just that those lower gears (num higher) will let the engine wrap faster. idk why your having a problem with this....skip gears...you dont HAVE to hit every gear....skip shift is a pain...but why did gm do this? the 1-4 shift...to save on gas. id say itd be respectable for street crusing, up to 40 or so..hell if you need more...do the 5 and 6th gears.
or if your dead set, maybe you get lucky and someone in your area will just trade you a whole rear....straight up!
02-25-2010, 01:21 PM
#31
One nugget of knowledge is that is was asked of me that every shift puts wear/tear on the clutch assembly. The most FORCE that is applied is when the car is stationary (dead stop), quick and efficent shifts through out the rpm while the car is rolling along is nothing compared to dead stop clutch slips. Having a 4.10 gear allows for less slip to be applied.
But what do I know.
02-25-2010, 04:31 PM
#32
I was going to bring this up but based on past post, I did not want to help him. If I were to help, your advice is what exactly mine would be. I often g from 1-3 (some times 4), and depending on what mph, right to 6th, or leave in fifth.
One nugget of knowledge is that is was asked of me that every shift puts wear/tear on the clutch assembly. The most FORCE that is applied is when the car is stationary (dead stop), quick and efficent shifts through out the rpm while the car is rolling along is nothing compared to dead stop clutch slips. Having a 4.10 gear allows for less slip to be applied.
But what do I know.
One nugget of knowledge is that is was asked of me that every shift puts wear/tear on the clutch assembly. The most FORCE that is applied is when the car is stationary (dead stop), quick and efficent shifts through out the rpm while the car is rolling along is nothing compared to dead stop clutch slips. Having a 4.10 gear allows for less slip to be applied.
But what do I know.
02-25-2010, 07:25 PM
#33
Increased gearing helps in ALL apects of these car due to weight and it simple allows the power band to be more useable.
But again, I would expect you to understand. You still think GM Wants you to put ATF fluid in T-56's because it is the best fluid (recommended) but not that its a better business decision to buy in bulk.
It has nothing to do with buying anything in bulk, look at the new TR6060 transmissions. Still use ATF, and DEXIII ATF is discontinued for use in GM automatic transmissions. So they relabeled it as manual trans fluid so that it will still be available. You once again prove you have no idea what you are talking about.
Do yourself a favor, sell your car and mod your Cobalt and let a more responsible owner mod your car.
More responsible?? Keep putting the wrong fluid in your trans and talking out of your *** about things you don't understand, thats real responsible.
02-25-2010, 07:27 PM
#34
I was going to bring this up but based on past post, I did not want to help him. If I were to help, your advice is what exactly mine would be. I often g from 1-3 (some times 4), and depending on what mph, right to 6th, or leave in fifth.
One nugget of knowledge is that is was asked of me that every shift puts wear/tear on the clutch assembly. The most FORCE that is applied is when the car is stationary (dead stop), quick and efficent shifts through out the rpm while the car is rolling along is nothing compared to dead stop clutch slips. Having a 4.10 gear allows for less slip to be applied.
But what do I know.
One nugget of knowledge is that is was asked of me that every shift puts wear/tear on the clutch assembly. The most FORCE that is applied is when the car is stationary (dead stop), quick and efficent shifts through out the rpm while the car is rolling along is nothing compared to dead stop clutch slips. Having a 4.10 gear allows for less slip to be applied.
But what do I know.
Anyone who installs gear to have "less clutch slip" or make the car faster is absolutely clueless. The difference in clutch slip while taking off in 1st gear is minimal, and 4.10's will not make your car any faster. It can make it quicker if you can launch, but once you're moving, there is no difference. As long as the engine is in the powerband, it doesn't matter what you're running, the engine is making the same HP. and If you know anything about physics, you'd understand that its physically impossible for gears to make your car faster. You just go through the gears quicker.
02-25-2010, 07:52 PM
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seems like a good debate here! and yes your comparing two different worlds there with the cobalt vs. TA, NA vs. turbo. 1BAD_LS1 here has a t70 5.3, th400, and 3.70s in his 9in....and yeah, it wraps pretty fast, but steeper gears will help it take full advange of the power through the rpm range.
i see where itd be a pain for the OP having to shift alot. in reality your engine is doing less work...a wise man once said...."give me a pole long enough, and i can move the world" gear to gear its the same rpm drop as any other gears...2.73s...to 7.xx...just that those lower gears (num higher) will let the engine wrap faster. idk why your having a problem with this....skip gears...you dont HAVE to hit every gear....skip shift is a pain...but why did gm do this? the 1-4 shift...to save on gas. id say itd be respectable for street crusing, up to 40 or so..hell if you need more...do the 5 and 6th gears.
or if your dead set, maybe you get lucky and someone in your area will just trade you a whole rear....straight up!
i see where itd be a pain for the OP having to shift alot. in reality your engine is doing less work...a wise man once said...."give me a pole long enough, and i can move the world" gear to gear its the same rpm drop as any other gears...2.73s...to 7.xx...just that those lower gears (num higher) will let the engine wrap faster. idk why your having a problem with this....skip gears...you dont HAVE to hit every gear....skip shift is a pain...but why did gm do this? the 1-4 shift...to save on gas. id say itd be respectable for street crusing, up to 40 or so..hell if you need more...do the 5 and 6th gears.
or if your dead set, maybe you get lucky and someone in your area will just trade you a whole rear....straight up!
I'll trade you my 10 bolt with 3.42's right now!
02-25-2010, 08:09 PM
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I don't want your help so STOP POSTING. You are an idiot and you have no idea what you are even talking about. I responded to your post on the previous page, and all you could do was tell me to sell my car...you are a joke.
Anyone who installs gear to have "less clutch slip" or make the car faster is absolutely clueless. The difference in clutch slip while taking off in 1st gear is minimal, and 4.10's will not make your car any faster. It can make it quicker if you can launch, but once you're moving, there is no difference. As long as the engine is in the powerband, it doesn't matter what you're running, the engine is making the same HP. and If you know anything about physics, you'd understand that its physically impossible for gears to make your car faster. You just go through the gears quicker.
Anyone who installs gear to have "less clutch slip" or make the car faster is absolutely clueless. The difference in clutch slip while taking off in 1st gear is minimal, and 4.10's will not make your car any faster. It can make it quicker if you can launch, but once you're moving, there is no difference. As long as the engine is in the powerband, it doesn't matter what you're running, the engine is making the same HP. and If you know anything about physics, you'd understand that its physically impossible for gears to make your car faster. You just go through the gears quicker.
you shouldnt be calling anyone a idiot when infact your the idiot here. Read your own damn post again and let me know if you make any sense...
you claiming that 3.42's to a 4.10 will only make your car quicker, not faster because once its in its powerband, it makes no difference. No **** jack ***. You just counter acted yourself. 4.10's are GOING to make you get into your powerband faster in EVERY SINGLE gear...and even this is a huge benefit, Im not even going to get into big cammed cars like myself. Getting into the powerband faster, is going to make your car quicker, AND faster...I dont care what you say, but take a look around this thread bud. You have 50 different people disagreeing with what your saying, and your the only one sticking too being WRONG. I wouldnt call anyone stupid when you, yourself look like a Anus.
Not too mention. Do some research. Why are SO many drag racing guys, that are running 9's,10's and 11's running 4.10's? If your theory was correct, on 3.42's and 4.10's being the same when rolling, why wouldnt all these guys just keep their stock gearing???
BTW, I went from 3.42's too 4.10's and it was a night and day difference in every way possible too drive the damn car.
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02-25-2010, 08:31 PM
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you shouldnt be calling anyone a idiot when infact your the idiot here. Read your own damn post again and let me know if you make any sense...
you claiming that 3.42's to a 4.10 will only make your car quicker, not faster because once its in its powerband, it makes no difference. No **** jack ***. You just counter acted yourself. 4.10's are GOING to make you get into your powerband faster in EVERY SINGLE gear...and even this is a huge benefit, Im not even going to get into big cammed cars like myself. Getting into the powerband faster, is going to make your car quicker, AND faster...I dont care what you say, but take a look around this thread bud. You have 50 different people disagreeing with what your saying, and your the only one sticking too being WRONG. I wouldnt call anyone stupid when you, yourself look like a Anus.
Not too mention. Do some research. Why are SO many drag racing guys, that are running 9's,10's and 11's running 4.10's? If your theory was correct, on 3.42's and 4.10's being the same when rolling, why wouldnt all these guys just keep their stock gearing???
BTW, I went from 3.42's too 4.10's and it was a night and day difference in every way possible too drive the damn car.
you claiming that 3.42's to a 4.10 will only make your car quicker, not faster because once its in its powerband, it makes no difference. No **** jack ***. You just counter acted yourself. 4.10's are GOING to make you get into your powerband faster in EVERY SINGLE gear...and even this is a huge benefit, Im not even going to get into big cammed cars like myself. Getting into the powerband faster, is going to make your car quicker, AND faster...I dont care what you say, but take a look around this thread bud. You have 50 different people disagreeing with what your saying, and your the only one sticking too being WRONG. I wouldnt call anyone stupid when you, yourself look like a Anus.
Not too mention. Do some research. Why are SO many drag racing guys, that are running 9's,10's and 11's running 4.10's? If your theory was correct, on 3.42's and 4.10's being the same when rolling, why wouldnt all these guys just keep their stock gearing???
BTW, I went from 3.42's too 4.10's and it was a night and day difference in every way possible too drive the damn car.
The 3.42 geared car will eventually eat the 4.10 geared car as it will have a higher top speed. But definitely not in the 1/4.
I would much rather have a 3.42 set in a texas mile.
02-25-2010, 08:36 PM
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you claiming that 3.42's to a 4.10 will only make your car quicker, not faster because once its in its powerband, it makes no difference. No **** jack ***. You just counter acted yourself. 4.10's are GOING to make you get into your powerband faster in EVERY SINGLE gear...and even this is a huge benefit, Im not even going to get into big cammed cars like myself. Getting into the powerband faster, is going to make your car quicker, AND faster...I dont care what you say, but take a look around this thread bud. You have 50 different people disagreeing with what your saying, and your the only one sticking too being WRONG. I wouldnt call anyone stupid when you, yourself look like a Anus.
Not too mention. Do some research. Why are SO many drag racing guys, that are running 9's,10's and 11's running 4.10's? If your theory was correct, on 3.42's and 4.10's being the same when rolling, why wouldnt all these guys just keep their stock gearing???
BTW, I went from 3.42's too 4.10's and it was a night and day difference in every way possible too drive the damn car.
BTW, I went from 3.42's too 4.10's and it was a night and day difference in every way possible too drive the damn car.
They don't help you get into the powerband quicker in subsequent gears
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