I think I will just do some long tubes and be done with modding for awhile

 

500$ converter
100-150$ install... Find someone on the boards who is close and knows what they are doing
50-60$ trans cooler

It is THE best mod for an A4... Taking money into consideration, nothing else can come close.

 

I don't know where ur getting it installed for $100. the cheapest place I could get my stall installed on my 93 z was 300 bucks. $900 is still alot of money just to launch harder. Than I break the rearend lol. I think I will just get some headers for now.

 

i have 4.10 and 26" tires and im at 3500@65 4l60 had od and lock up on the converter

 

They work while your on a roll too, the TC will still put your engine in a better spot then the stock TC will after a downshift.

 

You will drop almost a full second off your ET and pick up around 2-3mph on he big end with a quality converter.

 

Well **** if you window shop it just right then you can get it for much cheaper. I'm about to pick up on a 4400 here soon and the B&M is going to run me about 60 bucks and it's going to be put in by me. You save yourself a lot of money if you are mechanically inclined enough to do it yourself.

 

Im mechanicly inclined. I have done many head and cam swaps on lt1's and all. I have a job now that doesn't give me a hole lot of time for working on my cars like I usd to...

 

I bought my old 4400 VIG for 175$ and had it rebuilt for 200$ and that covered shipping both ways. Ran good as new and hit hard as hell for 16K miles when I took it out and sold it.. Still going good in that car a year later.

I have a buddy that has a trans shop and he does it for 100$, I'm sure a forum member close to you would do it for under 200$ though.

 

I do not have the DA, do you have the link to the site that tells you the DA on the days and at which track? I will try to dig up the slips and get that info. But it was many passes vs many passes.

X1000

With your mods, a stall change is not going to break your rear end

Again without DA numbers, but I ran on a cool night then changed the converter and ran on a very humid/hot night and I picked up .2-.3 in the 1/8th by changing from a Yank PY3400 to a SS3800.

I had a better 60 ft after the gears, and an even better one with the stall change. I had not considered checking the DA since I was satisfied enough but if I have all the time slips (im not the most organized with paper work) I would like to check it out and discuss.

 

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...e=Calculate+DA

I would LOVE to see it show that gears helped. I have seen numerous upon numerous results of gears not helping A4s at all or as little as .1.. I have never seen any results show over .1 with an A4 that could provide DA. All results that could provide DA showed no gains worth mentioning. .2 is worth it though.

Just PLEASE make sure the slips you are looking at are strictly before and after gears and NO tuning and NO other changes to the cars/tire setup/suspension setup/etc etc... Otherwise it means nothing. Also make sure you get the fastest before/after slip other wise it means nothing.

Waiting for results!

 

Im just praying I have all the slips....

But you really dont think you would pick up time by going from say 2:73's to 3:73's? I feel like the car picked up some going from 3:23's to 3:73's so I could only imagine the difference a larger jump would make

 

The FEELING gears give is INSANE, I will agree... But timeslips usually prove different.

 

Yeah I can definately see how that apply's. For roll racing though they do definately help. Now down the track, less effective in general.

 

im running a 3200 stall and 3.73 and i love how my car drives. i am curious to see how it would perform if i had 4.10's...LOL

 

http://tri-5.chevyrides.com/rpm.php

Going from 3.23 to 3.73, at 70, the RPms will be higher by about 300.

 

I looked through my time slips and I unfortunately do not have all my time slips to look up the DA in exact conditions. The exact one's I was looking for were my slips from late last year compared to mid this year which would net me a lower gain. I know the car still did 8.3's late last year in cooler weather and ran an immediate 8.1xx after the gears in May of this year where it is pretty hot and humid.

But I did see that the car was consistently running in the 8.3xx ET in the 1/8th all last year with no changes and after the gears the first pass out in the same conditions ( local tracks and relatively in same heat/weather ) it went 8.1xx for the first time. So before the gears I went out several times here in Dallas and it would cut 8.3's at best and after the gears was the first and only time it hit 8.1xx and the only change was the gears.

So I agree with you my times were pretty close between gear changes so I will say that gears do not make a HUGE difference in MPH but has noticeable effect on ET, but not extreme as a better stall converter or more power. So again agree-ing, if you want to run faster there are better things to spend money on. BUT if you make a significant gear ratio change such as going from 2:73's to 3:73's you should expect and will see some lower ET's.

I did see in my most relevant time slips that my MPH in the 1/8th was very very similar, like only around 1-2 MPH, but my ET was considerably better and that would obviously be the gears, they help acceleration in relevant time but do not neccessarily help MPH though the traps.

So gears are good yes, are they an extreme change when it comes to ET at the track, no not really on an auto versus other mods, but do they make a difference....Yes

So to sum it up, if you want to cut better times, gears are helpful with no other changes.... but the right stall, tires, and suspension will net you larger gains.

 

Is it bad to have a stall on an almost stock camaro?

 

Thats not true, aftermarket gears are cut stronger, which is why they tend to be noisier. Stock gears are cut for being quiet, not strong. Installer error is why aftermarket gears break.

I had 3.23s and went to 3.73s. The car did feel like it pulls harder.

No, it will help you everywhere

There may be minimal difference at the track but there is SOTP difference around town.

If you cant do a converter, then do the gears. The car will feel faster. They are a good mod for the price, though you wont be breaking records at the track, however, its not always about that.

RPMs with 3.23s are about 2k at 70mph, with 3.73s its about 2500rpm at 70mph.

 

if you like to go slow it is,

seriously though no its not at all