Custom roll cage and/or SFC's?
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Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? Ok... here's the question...
With a custom 6-point roll cage going into a convertible, would you add subframe connectors or simply rely on the cage to do all the chassis-stiffening? Would SFC's be unnecessary weight? We're looking at adding Kenny Brown DD's to a '99 SS convertible, but we're also positive that a custom roll cage will be going in.
Just to give you an idea, here's what we're about to install on the car:
1.) Stage II ARE heads
2.) 226/236 .568/.568 114 LSA cam
3.) LS6 intake
4.) 160-deg t-stat w/ fan switch
5.) Grot headers w/ ORP
6.) ASP UD & alternator pullies
So... bearing that in mind, do we just do the roll cage, or do both for added stiffening? Thanks in advance...
With a custom 6-point roll cage going into a convertible, would you add subframe connectors or simply rely on the cage to do all the chassis-stiffening? Would SFC's be unnecessary weight? We're looking at adding Kenny Brown DD's to a '99 SS convertible, but we're also positive that a custom roll cage will be going in.
Just to give you an idea, here's what we're about to install on the car:
1.) Stage II ARE heads
2.) 226/236 .568/.568 114 LSA cam
3.) LS6 intake
4.) 160-deg t-stat w/ fan switch
5.) Grot headers w/ ORP
6.) ASP UD & alternator pullies
So... bearing that in mind, do we just do the roll cage, or do both for added stiffening? Thanks in advance...
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Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? Excellent... that's what I was thinking. The previously mentioned components will be going in before the chassis mods, so we'll know if the DD's will be a problem. Thanks...
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Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? His rollcage is a custom one.
He has a convertible, so his car and your car would be totally different regarding a cage.
Wolfe's cages require you to cut the rear speakers out.
He has a convertible, so his car and your car would be totally different regarding a cage.
Wolfe's cages require you to cut the rear speakers out.
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Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? If you're putting the cage all the way through (i.e. not welding to the floor pan), you may not need the extra weight of the subframes. I have both, but the cage is welded to the floor using the required NHRA plates.
6 Speakers <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0"> We don't have no stinking six speakers in verts. <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0"> And don't give me that my Bi-amp BS that a 2 way counts as 2. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Nice set-up <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> We'll be pretty close when we're both done.
6 Speakers <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0"> We don't have no stinking six speakers in verts. <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0"> And don't give me that my Bi-amp BS that a 2 way counts as 2. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Nice set-up <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> We'll be pretty close when we're both done.
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Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? I'm pretty sure the above picture of the cage is NOT NHRA legal. If I remember correctly the bars have to be straight back. (I could be wrong though)
Also not to mention that a truly "custom" cage can be made to not interfere with anything you don't want it to. That is a prefab cage in the pic.
Also not to mention that a truly "custom" cage can be made to not interfere with anything you don't want it to. That is a prefab cage in the pic.
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From: AZ
Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? [quote]Originally posted by blackhawk2000:
<strong>I'm pretty sure the above picture of the cage is NOT NHRA legal. If I remember correctly the bars have to be straight back. (I could be wrong though)
Also not to mention that a truly "custom" cage can be made to not interfere with anything you don't want it to. That is a prefab cage in the pic.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wolf claims that to make the bar legal all you have to do is weld the rear bars to the main hoop...
-Jim
<strong>I'm pretty sure the above picture of the cage is NOT NHRA legal. If I remember correctly the bars have to be straight back. (I could be wrong though)
Also not to mention that a truly "custom" cage can be made to not interfere with anything you don't want it to. That is a prefab cage in the pic.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wolf claims that to make the bar legal all you have to do is weld the rear bars to the main hoop...
-Jim
Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? [quote]Originally posted by 99ragtopSS:
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Ragtop 99-your car is almost the same as mine. Same color, I have white top and interior.
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Plus I will have an ARE motor with S2 heads and a 226/226 114 cam so our motors are close too. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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So I should have the rollcage welded into the sub-frame...is that what the recommendation is?
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I would if I were to do it again. originally I was going to do bolt-in, but decided to weld at the last minute. Otherwise I would have gone down to the subframe.
Welcome to the board. Allways glad to see another fast 'vert. <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
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Ragtop 99-your car is almost the same as mine. Same color, I have white top and interior.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Plus I will have an ARE motor with S2 heads and a 226/226 114 cam so our motors are close too. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
[quote]
So I should have the rollcage welded into the sub-frame...is that what the recommendation is?
<hr></blockquote>
I would if I were to do it again. originally I was going to do bolt-in, but decided to weld at the last minute. Otherwise I would have gone down to the subframe.
Welcome to the board. Allways glad to see another fast 'vert. <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
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From: Orlando, FL
Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? The car we all are chatting about is my SS. Bluestreak posted for me.
Ragtop 99-your car is almost the same as mine. Same color, I have white top and interior.
So I should have the rollcage welded into the sub-frame...is that what the recommendation is?
Ragtop 99-your car is almost the same as mine. Same color, I have white top and interior.
So I should have the rollcage welded into the sub-frame...is that what the recommendation is?
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From: Orlando, FL
Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? We Guessed on the cam in the original post the true specs are;
226/234 114 111 0.554 0.575
Realizing that the rear end needs to be changed...any recommendations...Strange or Mosler
Ragtop 99-have you replaced the rear end yet and what are you going to install if you havent already.
226/234 114 111 0.554 0.575
Realizing that the rear end needs to be changed...any recommendations...Strange or Mosler
Ragtop 99-have you replaced the rear end yet and what are you going to install if you havent already.
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From: Sterling Heights Mi
Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? [quote]Originally posted by Jim98WS6:
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Wolf claims that to make the bar legal all you have to do is weld the rear bars to the main hoop...
-Jim</strong><hr></blockquote>
What I mean is, that the bars should be parallel to each other. It's been a couple months since I helped with a cage install, and the bars we did were slightly angled outboard, and I remember being concerned over legality. I don't think anyone but the strictest track would call you on it, but it's something to be aware of.
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Wolf claims that to make the bar legal all you have to do is weld the rear bars to the main hoop...
-Jim</strong><hr></blockquote>
What I mean is, that the bars should be parallel to each other. It's been a couple months since I helped with a cage install, and the bars we did were slightly angled outboard, and I remember being concerned over legality. I don't think anyone but the strictest track would call you on it, but it's something to be aware of.
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Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? Here is an extract from IHRA rule book gen rules pg 121 on roll bar installation. This may help a little.
All vehicles with OEM frame must have roll bar welded to frame. Installation of frame connectors on unibody car does not constitute a frame therfore it is not necessary the roll bar be welded to the frame. cars without frame must secrely attach roll bar with 6 inch x 6 inch .125 steel plates on top and bottom of floor bolted together with at least four 3/8 inch bolts and nuts.
Doug
All vehicles with OEM frame must have roll bar welded to frame. Installation of frame connectors on unibody car does not constitute a frame therfore it is not necessary the roll bar be welded to the frame. cars without frame must secrely attach roll bar with 6 inch x 6 inch .125 steel plates on top and bottom of floor bolted together with at least four 3/8 inch bolts and nuts.
Doug
Re: Custom roll cage and/or SFC's? I went with a strange 12 bolt with 3.73s. I have an A4 and my stock rear was holding up, but I decided to switch when I decided to change gears. Decided I would pay for it just once. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
