Did I get screwed ?
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Staging Lane
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From: Pearland, TX
Did I get screwed ? About 3000 miles ago, I took my car to a performance shop to have my headers and converter installed. After they had all the parts in hand, it still took them a week and a half to get my car back to me. Anyways, after I got my car back, I immediately noticed that when my tranny and TC would lock up after 4th gear, my tranny would shudder. I figured that it was just the computer relearning itself and though nothing of it til soon it just became another noise that I got used to. Needless to say, my tranny is now shot to
**** and I'm left wondering. I have now gotten my tranny rebuilt and the shop it is at now is saying that the cause is an improper install of the converter that caused the tranny to go out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> On top of that, the converter that they gave me back is not the stock one, not to mention that it is crap and locked up as well. I realize that when I add performance parts that I run the risk of messing up something in my car, but that is why I take it to professionals to get the job done. And more than that, I make enough stupid mistakes of my own, so I don't need to be running around literally paying $$ for other peoples mistakes. My question here is what do I need to know to come to the conclusion of whether or not the first shop screwed me? Can I do anything about it?
Thanks,
Kevin
P.S. - If you can answer any of the above Q's or provide me with any new ones that I might need to ask of the shops, please let me know.
Also, I'm not trying to take these people for their money, I just don't like the idea of getting screwed without the KY and paying them to do it!
**** and I'm left wondering. I have now gotten my tranny rebuilt and the shop it is at now is saying that the cause is an improper install of the converter that caused the tranny to go out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> On top of that, the converter that they gave me back is not the stock one, not to mention that it is crap and locked up as well. I realize that when I add performance parts that I run the risk of messing up something in my car, but that is why I take it to professionals to get the job done. And more than that, I make enough stupid mistakes of my own, so I don't need to be running around literally paying $$ for other peoples mistakes. My question here is what do I need to know to come to the conclusion of whether or not the first shop screwed me? Can I do anything about it?
Thanks,
Kevin
P.S. - If you can answer any of the above Q's or provide me with any new ones that I might need to ask of the shops, please let me know.
Also, I'm not trying to take these people for their money, I just don't like the idea of getting screwed without the KY and paying them to do it!
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Re: Did I get screwed ? What kind of converter did you have installed initially?
I'm not sure what they mean by improper install of the converter, unless they damaged the pump during install.
I have heard of cases where there were problems with the snout (or overall) length of the TC being too short to properly engage the pump, which could eventually cause damage.
I'm not sure what they mean by improper install of the converter, unless they damaged the pump during install.
I have heard of cases where there were problems with the snout (or overall) length of the TC being too short to properly engage the pump, which could eventually cause damage.
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Re: Did I get screwed ? Sorry to hear about your problems. What kind of header and converter did you have installed? Did you have a y-pipe installed with it?
If you don't fully seat the converter and then bolt it up, it will break the front pump. When I seen this happen the car wouldn't even move when put in any gear. Don't know if that is an "always like that" situation though.
If you don't fully seat the converter and then bolt it up, it will break the front pump. When I seen this happen the car wouldn't even move when put in any gear. Don't know if that is an "always like that" situation though.
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Staging Lane
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From: Pearland, TX
Re: Did I get screwed ? What I had installed in my car at this shop (all at the same time) was MAC headers w/ ORY-pipe, Y3200, and ASP pulleys, crank and alternater. I learn about my cars and how the components work as I do the work on the car. The only thing I have yet to rebuild is a tranny, so please bear with me as I am just learning. From what the current shop is telling me, I believe that they said the main problem was that the drum shaft was not modified at all. When the tranny was taken apart, all parts that need lubrication showed extreme signs of wear. ex... a spun rod bearing(crankshaft), or a scratched CD. That leads me to what I think is a fairly simple beginning, the pump!
Please, anybody, chime in! Like I said, I am still in the learning process of the trannys, and I am essentially clueless. Any, and all, help is greatly appreciated. Like I said earlier, I'm not out to screw anybody over. If my tranny going out is my own fault, so be it, I was and still am willing to face the consequenses, but if they messed up when putting on my TC, then why did I bother to give them money in the first place? What do I need to look at to be able to determine the answers to my questions? Please give any advice that you might have.
Thanks,
Kevin
BTW - I have almost all the bolt-ons, but I do not have H/C. My tranny is more than capable of being able to hold the little bit of power that I have added to it. This car has also NEVER seen nitrous and is still running the stock 3.23 gears w/ only nittos.
<small>[ July 06, 2002, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: WhosYourDaddy ]</small>
Please, anybody, chime in! Like I said, I am still in the learning process of the trannys, and I am essentially clueless. Any, and all, help is greatly appreciated. Like I said earlier, I'm not out to screw anybody over. If my tranny going out is my own fault, so be it, I was and still am willing to face the consequenses, but if they messed up when putting on my TC, then why did I bother to give them money in the first place? What do I need to look at to be able to determine the answers to my questions? Please give any advice that you might have.
Thanks,
Kevin
BTW - I have almost all the bolt-ons, but I do not have H/C. My tranny is more than capable of being able to hold the little bit of power that I have added to it. This car has also NEVER seen nitrous and is still running the stock 3.23 gears w/ only nittos.
<small>[ July 06, 2002, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: WhosYourDaddy ]</small>
Re: Did I get screwed ? Be sure to inspect the converter. If the tranny blew while driving, you may have contaminated the converter.
<small>[ July 07, 2002, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Ragtop 99 ]</small>
<small>[ July 07, 2002, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Ragtop 99 ]</small>
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Staging Lane
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Re: Did I get screwed ? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong>Be sure to inspect the converter. If the tranny blew while driving, you may have contaminated the converter.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, but this is already being taken care of. That is one of the few things that I have picked up already.
Kevin
<strong>Be sure to inspect the converter. If the tranny blew while driving, you may have contaminated the converter.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, but this is already being taken care of. That is one of the few things that I have picked up already.
Kevin
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Re: Did I get screwed ? Stupid question but did you check the tranny fluid levels after you got it back? When I had my converter installed, it was low and the thing would barely shift, and was acting funny all around (real sloppy feeling). If I had let it go for a while it definitely would have chewed everything up due to low line pressure and so forth.
Was any fluid leaking perhaps? Maybe they damaged the front seal and it leaked some/most of the fluid out.
From what I understand, if the converter is not installed properly, the car will not even go into any gear pretty much immediately. (and destroy the front pump I believe).
Dope
Was any fluid leaking perhaps? Maybe they damaged the front seal and it leaked some/most of the fluid out.
From what I understand, if the converter is not installed properly, the car will not even go into any gear pretty much immediately. (and destroy the front pump I believe).
Dope
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Staging Lane
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From: Pearland, TX
Re: Did I get screwed ? Yes, I did check the tranny fluid immediately after the install, and then a week later and everything was fine. I never did crawl up under my car, but it did not leave any fluids behind. I park in the same spot every night and there are no stains.
Thanks,
Kevin
Thanks,
Kevin
