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Old Nov 18, 2002 | 03:08 PM
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Default Patrick G...SS3600 or SS3800 for my car?

On my old Z I once had a SY3500 with 3.73 gears. It felt just right in daily driving to me. I'd like to get this car to feel about the same but with 3.23 gears.

So, considering the lowly 1.61 STR of the SY3500 compared to the higher STR of the SS line and their 21 blade stator, might I get away with the 3800 w/ 3.23 gears and still feel just as tight as the SY3500/3.73 combo? I think the answer is no but I'd like your opinion.

Also, how much performance do you think I'd be giving up at the track by going with the 3600 instead of the 3800? I'll be running NOTHING but 315/35/17 Nitto drag radials with NO suspension mods. Maybe that in itself means the 3600 would be the better choice?
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Old Nov 18, 2002 | 05:30 PM
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Stephen,

I really like the crisp throttle response of the SS 3800. Personally, I think the throttle tip-in is better than the SY3500 because of its very high STR. I think the difference between the 3600 to the 3800 is going to be small (maybe .03-.05 better), but I feel it's worth going for the higher stall unit since the driveability is so freakin good. I'm still amazed how nice the car drives with it.

Heat those Nittos up enough and you'll be good to go.
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Old Nov 18, 2002 | 05:40 PM
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Default Re: Patrick G...SS3600 or SS3800 for my car?

Thanks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

So even though I'm running 3.23s instead of 3.73s like you, the drivability will still be nice? I bet an SS3600 w/3.23s would feel just like an SS3800 w/3.73s. What do you think?

Do you think you'de still like the drivability if you went to an SS4000-4200 with your 3.73s?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Colonel:
<strong>Do you think you'de still like the drivability if you went to an SS4000-4200 with your 3.73s?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Default Re: Patrick G...SS3600 or SS3800 for my car?

Id say the SS3800. Sounds like a great converter.

I love my SY4000, I didnt think its drivability would be this awesome. I run 3.23s too, rpms at 70mph is 2200(little more than id like, but its ok). Its really not that loose and really keeps the rpms up between shifts.

Im really curious about the SS4000. Sounds like a awesome converter.

Good luck!

Casey

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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 12:41 AM
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Hey is it worth going from ST3500 to the SS3800? Just wondering. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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how about a SS3800 and a 3.70? I had a ST3500 and a 2.73 gear and it was rediculously loose i want one that alot tighter. I am about to put my Moser 9in in so iwant a new converter to compliment it.
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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 08:29 AM
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Josh,

Only at the track would you see any difference between the ST3500 and the SS3800. The higher STR of the SS3800 pulls down shift extension to where its very close to the ST3500, so racing from a roll, they'd be very close (with just a slight edge to the SS3800). At the track, the harder launch would be worth .05 in 60' time. On the street, the extra oomph off the line is wasted unless you have sticky tires.

42NightZ28,

The combination of 3.70 gears at SS3800 is basically what I have now. It rocks. No dead spots anywhere. Hits hard off the line. Very streetable.

Colonel,

I think the driveability of the SS3800, even with 3.23 gears, would be outstanding. If your plan is to have the ultimate in streetability with 3.23 gears, I honestly don't think you'd be giving up much by going with the SS3600.

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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 01:50 PM
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Dennis this converter sounds badass.I with ya buddy,I'm really thinking of going back to 17's and DR's FOR GOOD and this converter looks to be the one to run.

How would the SS3800 work w/a 100 shot Patrick?

JS

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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 02:27 PM
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Joel,

How's it going? Man these new Yanks do look bad *** don't they? Don't get me wrong, I like my Vig. 3600 but i'm planning on using a 125 dry shot and Vig. will flash way too high. So i'm thinking about the SS3600. Since i have to have a smaller stall because of the juice and since i got to pull my converter anyway i might look into the new Yank. And god forbid if i dont like the Yank i can still have the Vig. reduced to 3200 rpm. Just food for thought.
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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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02BlackWS6,

The SS3800 has better street manners than the Vig 3600. It should. The Vig is a 4300 stall converter. The SS3800 is a 3800 stall converter with a very high stall torque ratio (STR).

JS,

The SS3800 ROCKS on a 100 shot. The lower shift extension is one of the biggest plusses of running this converter vs. my PT4000 when running the spray. You don't want a lot of shift extension when you're on the jug.

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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 04:37 PM
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Patrick, what you think of a SS4000 on boost?

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Old Nov 19, 2002 | 05:11 PM
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On boost? Good question. Depends on blower type.

Supercharger. Definitely. They don't have much low end torque. The big power is higher in the rpm range.

Turbo. No way. The converter has too much stall for a turbo. Lingenfelter runs the larger 258mm converters on his turbo cars. You need to look at stall speed at 0 boost and choose wisely. A 258mm converter with around 3600 stall speed would work better on a turbo motor. Turbos like to be lugged down to build boost. A converter with more holding capacity will do that.

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Default Re: Patrick G...SS3600 or SS3800 for my car?

So would the SS3600 be a good choice or even the SS3800?

What would you pick, this is for a turbo car, also a lot of track and street time.

Thanks

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For a V-8 Turbo car, I'd chose the Pro Yank 3600 Extreme, hands down.
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Old Nov 20, 2002 | 12:53 AM
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How does the SS3600/SS3800 compare to the Vig. 3600 #7 as far as driveability and performance?
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What about with my mods would a ss3600 work well on a 100 shot and soon to have a cam
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