Midwest Chassis & Performance fab rearends... new pics
02-26-2008, 12:23 AM
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My parts are trickling in. Cant wait. My living room is a mess with parts though. And Eric take your time with my rear I still gotta figure out how to rebuild this trans... And Im being lazy instead of looking. How much for the adj PHR?
02-26-2008, 02:05 PM
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at the moment... were at about 15 working days depending on the powdercoating schedule. the newest design housing materials are finally here that i started cad design in early December! i will post pics in a new thread at another date, but it's basically the same thing, just designed f-body/mustang specific instead of modified tube chassis car housing. this will speed up the assembly process qiute a bit. the goal here is to be caught up in the next few weeks and be able to have housings in stock, able to ship out in a few days. this rearend business has turned into a full time position by itself!
thanks for the update.
02-26-2008, 07:57 PM
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upper tube on the torque arm an afterthought? are you kidding me? that design relies less on a welded area that the other designs out there, imo. how many ways are there to make one, anyway? for that matter, mine was released to the public first... no afterthoughts.
how do you know that the faceplate i use is 1/4 inch material? have you had one of my housings in your hand? used a caliper to measure it? so you're telling me that the 200 mph top sportsman cars i have done that 60 foot 1.0's are having housing failures? you're also telling me that vertical welds on a housing design are prone to fail? what about the 6 second Pro Mod cars that are using this design housing? want proof?
you're telling me that the ARP housing studs used in my housings are gonna have issues?
you're telling me that the rectangular tube torque arm crossmember i use is old school? what about the other manufacturers using them? they old school too? has nothing to do with ground clearance on the tunnel mounted version and sheer strength over and above a round tube on the trans crossmember version does it?
I'm not saying Moser does not have a good product, and i should hold up fine, but i *guarantee* you the setup i make that is similar to Moser's will hold more rotational torque on a stress test.
the $10,000 quote posted in that thread was intended to be laughing stock, and it did exactly that. sorry you didn't take it that way.
as far as my prices... its my business, its my product. i will make things an optional charge as i see fit. this product was aimed at the street/strip crowd, with race applications available and custom components to compliment each customers needs. 90 percent of these rearends are going on the street, and not every person out there has fabrication/cutting/welding skills, let alone the tools to do it. these rearends are a 100 percent bolt-in, with standard features that should be on a rearend that you pay 2500.00 + for. i.e.- a person paying that money shouldn't have to spend 35.00 for a freaking drain plug that costs me 6 dollars... its called a "feature", not a "option". it doesnt take 5 minutes to tig weld a threaded insert to a existing hole that is designed into a laser cut housing center piece.
i thank anyone here for taking the time to point out things that may need to be addressed. when its all said and done we will all be informed of the benefits and features of my products.
i accept and listen to all opinions, but there are facts involved that need not be opinionated. maybe one should be educated before voicing opinions. it may make said one look like less of an *** in the end.
thank you.
how do you know that the faceplate i use is 1/4 inch material? have you had one of my housings in your hand? used a caliper to measure it? so you're telling me that the 200 mph top sportsman cars i have done that 60 foot 1.0's are having housing failures? you're also telling me that vertical welds on a housing design are prone to fail? what about the 6 second Pro Mod cars that are using this design housing? want proof?
you're telling me that the ARP housing studs used in my housings are gonna have issues?
you're telling me that the rectangular tube torque arm crossmember i use is old school? what about the other manufacturers using them? they old school too? has nothing to do with ground clearance on the tunnel mounted version and sheer strength over and above a round tube on the trans crossmember version does it?
I'm not saying Moser does not have a good product, and i should hold up fine, but i *guarantee* you the setup i make that is similar to Moser's will hold more rotational torque on a stress test.
the $10,000 quote posted in that thread was intended to be laughing stock, and it did exactly that. sorry you didn't take it that way.
as far as my prices... its my business, its my product. i will make things an optional charge as i see fit. this product was aimed at the street/strip crowd, with race applications available and custom components to compliment each customers needs. 90 percent of these rearends are going on the street, and not every person out there has fabrication/cutting/welding skills, let alone the tools to do it. these rearends are a 100 percent bolt-in, with standard features that should be on a rearend that you pay 2500.00 + for. i.e.- a person paying that money shouldn't have to spend 35.00 for a freaking drain plug that costs me 6 dollars... its called a "feature", not a "option". it doesnt take 5 minutes to tig weld a threaded insert to a existing hole that is designed into a laser cut housing center piece.
i thank anyone here for taking the time to point out things that may need to be addressed. when its all said and done we will all be informed of the benefits and features of my products.
i accept and listen to all opinions, but there are facts involved that need not be opinionated. maybe one should be educated before voicing opinions. it may make said one look like less of an *** in the end.
thank you.
You know i have been up against the fence on what rear to go with for about 6mos. This single post just sold me. I'm deff. going to get your product as soon as a have the remainder of the $$. Expect a call from me in the coming months fellas.
Your product might not be old school, but your business philosophy sure is and as a consumer, I greatly appreciate it.
One question if you don't mind. I'm trying to sell one of my boys on your rearend as well. What is the weight difference between your set-up and a regular 9" and a 12 bolt?
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02-26-2008, 08:27 PM
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Nah i'm content with ordering it later, don't wanna worry bout being short on $$, or have something come up when it's time to pay. As long as i have it by the end of the year i'm good.
02-26-2008, 09:19 PM
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1.Torque arm design. it looks like the upper tube was an after thought.
2. vertical seams on the back of the housing. Prone to breakage.
3. 1/4" face plate. sooner or later the bottom will pull out no matter how big the bulkheads are. Especially in a 3600 lb car.
4. Press in studs. If you remove the center section a few times sooner or later they will get knocked loose.
5. Square tube crossmember. They stopped using square tubing in race cars in the 70's
As a fabricator when I look at the side to side comparisons it looks like a lot of thought went into the whole Moser Package. with the Midwest package all of the focus was placed on the housing.
The way I see it is that both companies sell a good product.
The only actual bashing i've seen Eric do was the 10,000 price tag on the M-9 and when someone comments on replacing their Moser stuff With Midwest stuff. Other than that Eric has been straight up with anyone that has posted on this site. Most of the bashing has come from other naysayers on this thread. And i do appreciate the response from him regarding his torque arm and housing package. Now we know what you get from Midwest.
Midwest adds options at no charge. that doesen't seem to make good business sense to me. When you generate accessories it's only natural to pass the cost of the R&D to the customer by charging for those upgrades. Moser options on the package are the sway bar mount,LCA's and the back brace. the other options such as center section upgrades or axle upgrades could be incurred at Midwest as well.
Please remember that these are opinions. You may judge my opinions and also have your own. But they are only opinions. some guys drive Chevys and some guys drive Fords and others drive Chryslers.
2. vertical seams on the back of the housing. Prone to breakage.
3. 1/4" face plate. sooner or later the bottom will pull out no matter how big the bulkheads are. Especially in a 3600 lb car.
4. Press in studs. If you remove the center section a few times sooner or later they will get knocked loose.
5. Square tube crossmember. They stopped using square tubing in race cars in the 70's
As a fabricator when I look at the side to side comparisons it looks like a lot of thought went into the whole Moser Package. with the Midwest package all of the focus was placed on the housing.
The way I see it is that both companies sell a good product.
The only actual bashing i've seen Eric do was the 10,000 price tag on the M-9 and when someone comments on replacing their Moser stuff With Midwest stuff. Other than that Eric has been straight up with anyone that has posted on this site. Most of the bashing has come from other naysayers on this thread. And i do appreciate the response from him regarding his torque arm and housing package. Now we know what you get from Midwest.
Midwest adds options at no charge. that doesen't seem to make good business sense to me. When you generate accessories it's only natural to pass the cost of the R&D to the customer by charging for those upgrades. Moser options on the package are the sway bar mount,LCA's and the back brace. the other options such as center section upgrades or axle upgrades could be incurred at Midwest as well.
Please remember that these are opinions. You may judge my opinions and also have your own. But they are only opinions. some guys drive Chevys and some guys drive Fords and others drive Chryslers.
Lets take these one at a time.
1. IMHO the shape of the Midwest torque arm ensures that t does not rub or bang the DS tunnel under rear suspension squat or going over speed bumps like many other 9"'s out there. Another way of saying it is you will not have to clearance the sheet metal tunnel with a crowbar or BFH period. It uses triangulated construction and the welds are second to none.
2. Where is you evidence or proof that this has happened on this particular product. Are you familiar with the design and engineering that has gone into this product? Have you acquired this product for evaluation? Have you stress tested the housing? Have you tested this product in a vehicle at the track? Have you evaluated the welds? Do you have photos of busted parts? Have you even seen the product first hand?
3. See line 2.
4. You have got to be shitting me here. How in the hell can you come to this conclusion???
How many times does the average guy remove the gear case once installed anyway.5. What does this prove. If I'm not mistaken they also stopped using the 9" Ford rear ends in the 70's or 80's too. Please tell me they are in ridiculously high demand going on 20 years later. Need I say more on this point.
I believe you are seriously grasping at straws here and I am very confident you have never seen the product first hand. Maybe I am wrong but I am certain that if you had you would have already stated this right off the bat.
Does this analysis sound fair and objective to anyone here? I hear crickets.
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02-27-2008, 10:42 AM
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Just the Facts upper tube on the torque arm an afterthought? are you kidding me? that design relies less on a welded area that the other designs out there, imo. how many ways are there to make one, anyway? for that matter, mine was released to the public first... no afterthoughts.
how do you know that the faceplate i use is 1/4 inch material? have you had one of my housings in your hand? used a caliper to measure it? so you're telling me that the 200 mph top sportsman cars i have done that 60 foot 1.0's are having housing failures? you're also telling me that vertical welds on a housing design are prone to fail? what about the 6 second Pro Mod cars that are using this design housing? want proof?
you're telling me that the ARP housing studs used in my housings are gonna have issues?
you're telling me that the rectangular tube torque arm crossmember i use is old school? what about the other manufacturers using them? they old school too? has nothing to do with ground clearance on the tunnel mounted version and sheer strength over and above a round tube on the trans crossmember version does it?
I'm not saying Moser does not have a good product, and i should hold up fine, but i *guarantee* you the setup i make that is similar to Moser's will hold more rotational torque on a stress test.
the $10,000 quote posted in that thread was intended to be laughing stock, and it did exactly that. sorry you didn't take it that way.
as far as my prices... its my business, its my product. i will make things an optional charge as i see fit. this product was aimed at the street/strip crowd, with race applications available and custom components to compliment each customers needs. 90 percent of these rearends are going on the street, and not every person out there has fabrication/cutting/welding skills, let alone the tools to do it. these rearends are a 100 percent bolt-in, with standard features that should be on a rearend that you pay 2500.00 + for. i.e.- a person paying that money shouldn't have to spend 35.00 for a freaking drain plug that costs me 6 dollars... its called a "feature", not a "option". it doesnt take 5 minutes to tig weld a threaded insert to a existing hole that is designed into a laser cut housing center piece.
i thank anyone here for taking the time to point out things that may need to be addressed. when its all said and done we will all be informed of the benefits and features of my products.
i accept and listen to all opinions, but there are facts involved that need not be opinionated. maybe one should be educated before voicing opinions. it may make said one look like less of an *** in the end.
thank you.
how do you know that the faceplate i use is 1/4 inch material? have you had one of my housings in your hand? used a caliper to measure it? so you're telling me that the 200 mph top sportsman cars i have done that 60 foot 1.0's are having housing failures? you're also telling me that vertical welds on a housing design are prone to fail? what about the 6 second Pro Mod cars that are using this design housing? want proof?
you're telling me that the ARP housing studs used in my housings are gonna have issues?
you're telling me that the rectangular tube torque arm crossmember i use is old school? what about the other manufacturers using them? they old school too? has nothing to do with ground clearance on the tunnel mounted version and sheer strength over and above a round tube on the trans crossmember version does it?
I'm not saying Moser does not have a good product, and i should hold up fine, but i *guarantee* you the setup i make that is similar to Moser's will hold more rotational torque on a stress test.
the $10,000 quote posted in that thread was intended to be laughing stock, and it did exactly that. sorry you didn't take it that way.
as far as my prices... its my business, its my product. i will make things an optional charge as i see fit. this product was aimed at the street/strip crowd, with race applications available and custom components to compliment each customers needs. 90 percent of these rearends are going on the street, and not every person out there has fabrication/cutting/welding skills, let alone the tools to do it. these rearends are a 100 percent bolt-in, with standard features that should be on a rearend that you pay 2500.00 + for. i.e.- a person paying that money shouldn't have to spend 35.00 for a freaking drain plug that costs me 6 dollars... its called a "feature", not a "option". it doesnt take 5 minutes to tig weld a threaded insert to a existing hole that is designed into a laser cut housing center piece.
i thank anyone here for taking the time to point out things that may need to be addressed. when its all said and done we will all be informed of the benefits and features of my products.
i accept and listen to all opinions, but there are facts involved that need not be opinionated. maybe one should be educated before voicing opinions. it may make said one look like less of an *** in the end.
thank you.
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02-27-2008, 11:41 AM
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LOL, at all this crap from the newbies. I like how they get on here & immediately try to down your product. It's good stuff, especially since numerous members are already running your set-up.
I guess some people just get sand in their vagina when it's impossible for ANYONE else to beat your pricing for what you offer. I see everyone sayin "We offer the best pricing" & then after you add the drain plug, powder coat & everything the way the damn rear should come to being with their pricing is over $2500 sometimes even without shipping & you don't get as much for the money.
I still got my eye on your product & I will continue to plan on buying from you until you or your products give me any reason to doubt you.
I guess some people just get sand in their vagina when it's impossible for ANYONE else to beat your pricing for what you offer. I see everyone sayin "We offer the best pricing" & then after you add the drain plug, powder coat & everything the way the damn rear should come to being with their pricing is over $2500 sometimes even without shipping & you don't get as much for the money.
I still got my eye on your product & I will continue to plan on buying from you until you or your products give me any reason to doubt you.
02-27-2008, 08:04 PM
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Just want to set the record straight on this one! Fill & Drain Plug comes standard (no additional charge) on any and all Moser M9 Fabricated housings, always has. Torque Arm & Crossmember are Powdercoated as a standard (no additional charge). Housing Upgrade Options; Sway Bars Mounts Installed $60, Adjustable Lower Control Arm Mounts Installed $100, Back Brace Installed $140, Powdercoat $250 (includes; Housing, Case & Pinion Support)
1) Funny, the standard for the M9 is NO DRAIN PLUG (option $35) with a drain and fill plug it is $70.
2) How does $250 compare to $100 for powder coating??
3) Better re-read what comes standard with the FAB 9 and then re-compare with the Moser M9....then post when you are better informed.
02-27-2008, 08:39 PM
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Just want to set the record straight on this one! Fill & Drain Plug comes standard (no additional charge) on any and all Moser M9 Fabricated housings, always has. Torque Arm & Crossmember are Powdercoated as a standard (no additional charge). Housing Upgrade Options; Sway Bars Mounts Installed $60, Adjustable Lower Control Arm Mounts Installed $100, Back Brace Installed $140, Powdercoat $250 (includes; Housing, Case & Pinion Support)
According to EPP's website the drain plug is a $35.00 on the M9.
The Midwest fabbed 9"
Drain plug-No additional charge
Intergrated LCA relocation brackets-No additional charge
Sway bar mounts-No additional charge
Everything powder coated $100.00 extra
Back brace installed $120.00 extra
Housing upgrades too
Lots of other ****-no extra charge
And you point was..........Now
02-27-2008, 09:27 PM
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Lets re-examine this record.
According to EPP's website the drain plug is a $35.00 on the M9.
The Midwest fabbed 9"
Drain plug-No additional charge
Intergrated LCA relocation brackets-No additional charge
Sway bar mounts-No additional charge
Everything powder coated $100.00 extra
Back brace installed $120.00 extra
Housing upgrades too
Lots of other ****-no extra charge
And you point was..........Now
According to EPP's website the drain plug is a $35.00 on the M9.
The Midwest fabbed 9"
Drain plug-No additional charge
Intergrated LCA relocation brackets-No additional charge
Sway bar mounts-No additional charge
Everything powder coated $100.00 extra
Back brace installed $120.00 extra
Housing upgrades too
Lots of other ****-no extra charge
And you point was..........Now
02-27-2008, 10:22 PM
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I don't know if it documents a typical install of an M9 but has anyone read the New GM HighTech article about the M9 Install and all the things they had to do to install the rear end in the car? I don't remember having that many issues helping install Eric's prototype rear end in his car.
02-28-2008, 06:05 AM
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1) Funny, the standard for the M9 is NO DRAIN PLUG (option $35) with a drain and fill plug it is $70.
2) How does $250 compare to $100 for powder coating??
3) Better re-read what comes standard with the FAB 9 and then re-compare with the Moser M9....then post when you are better informed.
2) How does $250 compare to $100 for powder coating??
3) Better re-read what comes standard with the FAB 9 and then re-compare with the Moser M9....then post when you are better informed.
Eric's customer service is awesome. He answered all my questions and gave me honest opinions on what I did and did not need.
02-28-2008, 03:08 PM
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wtf???? are you the brother or maybe working from the same computer as
IROC test mule? maybe i should make up another username and hijack others threads...
i don't recall saying anything about the M9 not having a fill or drain plug on any of my posts...for that matter, where have i ever said anything technical about the M9? what is "factually wrong" anywhere? maybe you should hijack another vendor's threads and point out all the pricing and tech errors.
why would you have very few posts, be a long time reader, and just now start posting to comment on this subject? seems all too familiar within the last few days. this isn't a thread that i started comparing the products i manufacture and Moser's. i have only commented on things that were already being compared. i never intended for anything in any of the posts to even relate to it.
why don't you go to the nitrous section and start comparisons between HSW and Nitro Dave?
IROC test mule? maybe i should make up another username and hijack others threads...
i don't recall saying anything about the M9 not having a fill or drain plug on any of my posts...for that matter, where have i ever said anything technical about the M9? what is "factually wrong" anywhere? maybe you should hijack another vendor's threads and point out all the pricing and tech errors.
why would you have very few posts, be a long time reader, and just now start posting to comment on this subject? seems all too familiar within the last few days. this isn't a thread that i started comparing the products i manufacture and Moser's. i have only commented on things that were already being compared. i never intended for anything in any of the posts to even relate to it.
why don't you go to the nitrous section and start comparisons between HSW and Nitro Dave?
